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daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mide Services)
Sun Aug 27 17:28:45 1995
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 17:21:32 GMT
From: Mide Services <mideservices@almide.demon.co.uk>
Reply-To: mideservices@almide.demon.co.uk
To: java-interest@java.sun.com, rsrodger@wam.umd.edu
Cc: java-interest-digest@java.sun.com
In your message dated Sunday 27, August 1995 you wrote :
Dear Robert Stephen Rodgers,
Oberon is not a commercial operating system. Wirth et al are no
fools. Oberon is an experiment, an intellectual virus. However, it does
not FOLLOW that it could never take off. In this day and age, none of the
programming geeks who are interested in it, are rooted in a culture that
could give rise to an underground revolution, the way UNIX went into
orbit. I would not be surprised if the next revolutionary ideas in
Software Engineering will be coming out of Zambia or Brasil, or something.
No, I agree, camp Oberon is full or nerds. But I have to laugh
though, when you say:
"Do you fellows really think that you can write an operating system on
the level of Microsoft _Windows 3.1_(+DOS)"
That's got to be a YES!
You say
"...like Linux, NT, Os/2 or Unix?"
To my mind, these are all different faces of the SAME operating
"system". There' a place for Java here.
"Another toy operating system isn't going to accomplish anything."
Oberon is an academic toy. So was SHRDLU. I am a student. I will be
doing a PhD. Bollocks.
"I'd like to note that for you tots who haven't gotten over your
I-hate-Microsoft-Whine-Whine-Whine penis envy, the last few would help
vanquish one of their key strategic OS strongpoints."
This is very interesting talk. Wrong. Bill Gates has penis envy.
Hence MicroSoft. However this cannot be used as a plea for turning to the
Dark Side of the Force however.
"Part of Microsoft's strength is that they get the important stuff
(UI, installers, documentation) done first and the less-important
stuff (actual program code) almost-done second. This may offend some
purists, but yes, Windows and DOS won because they were better in
end-user critical ways than the competition. I hate it, you hate it,
but lets get over it and beat them at their own game instead of
sitting in ivory towers crying about how evil MS is and how unfair it
is that the world doesn't recognize the pure beauty of marvelous tools
like EMACS and bash."
I agree.
"If you want Java as a language, and not as some web hacker's toy, to
succeed on a huge scale, the place that it's got to happen is on
Windows."
Ditto.
"Like it or not, that's where the money is, both for
development and from consumers."
We can succeed *effortlessly* in this, by thinking on a grander scale.
The Founding Fathers sowed the seeds for you to be able to think like
this. As the I Ching is always reminding us, draw a bigger circle.
Sandy
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