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Thu Nov 7 01:37:46 1991
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 01:37:07 EST
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btspiers (Brad Spiers):
Statements to keep in mind:
If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
-- Mark 9, v. 23
Only by attempting the absurd can we achieve the impossible.
-- Random button
Be yourself.
-- Me
Referring to Yuppies wearing gold watches: "All clock, no cock"
-- Bryan Brown
The easy work is behind us.
-- Mark D. Trickeebank, a behaviorial pharmacologist at Merck,
Wall Street Journal, 25 October 1991
General trivia:
MIT Address: Phone: 225-9479 (answering machine)
450 Memorial Dr. #D323
Cambridge MA 02139
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dom (Dominic J Sartorio):
Dom logged out at Thu Nov 7 00:30:07 EST 1991.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
However much wood a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood!
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gamadrid (George A Madrid):
See him dying there alone
This king yet unknown...
His blood upon the carnal throng below...
Hear him crying there above the the festive carnal show...
Crying on high to the thundering sky
"Oh Father Why"
And only recalled today because opportune archetypals
Called disciples came and rolled away
With stealthy tread
The tombing stone...stole a body dead
Left not a bone...
Then they went awhispering: "See he has risen from life's prison"
Turned his words ablaze
To absurd paraphrase:
"Thru birth and life we go in sin
Only with death do we begin."
Words ablaze to absurd paraphrase...
Yes, they turned his glories and allegories innocent
To witless stories of literal incident.
"The Loser" by Wulf
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hecovert (Howard E Covert):
To own such a large home entertainment center, I lose consciousness.
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jcbourne (Juliet C Bourne):
Though i see now that i could achieve what i wanted to achieve for so long
in the past, i must realize that that is where it belongs -- in the past.
There was a reason why i didn't achieve it before and that reason still applies
today. The temptation may be strong, but i shall remain fast and discover my
future and _not_ delve into the past.
----
Companionship, partnership, mutual reassurance, someone to laugh with
and grieve with, loyalty that accepts foibles, someone to touch, someone
to hold your hand -- these things are "marriage," and sex is but the
icing on the cake. (Lazarus Long)
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jinx (Guillermo J Rozas):
I hardly ever use this account.
Do "finger -l jinx@zurich.ai.mit.edu" for more up to date information.
Written on Wed Nov 6 07:00:01 EST 1991
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kenneths (Kenneth J Schneider):
Address at Theta Chi: Address at Home:
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mhbraun (Matthew Braun):
Through me is the way into the city of woe;
Through me is the way into the eternal pain:
Through me, the way among the lost below.
Righteousness did my maker on high constrain.
Me did divine authority uprear.
Me did supreme wisdom and primal love sustain.
Before I was, no things created were
Save the eternal, and I eternal abide.
Before I was, no things created were
Save the eternal, and I eternal abide.
Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
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pasqual (Hiroshi Kawai):
"I think I'll go to class today....I need the sleep"
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quanta (Doug Newton):
Ph.D. A.S.A.P.
(Yes, I am still here....)
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rlcarr (Richard L. Carreiro):
Article 600 of clari.news.law.supreme:
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From: clarinews@clarinet.com (GREG HENDERSON)
Newsgroups: clari.news.law.supreme,clari.news.religion,biz.clarinet.sample,clari.news.top
Subject: Court hears argument over graduation prayer
Keywords: supreme court, legal, organized religion, religion,
children's education, education
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WASHINGTON (UPI) -- The administration asked the Supreme Court
Wednesday to allow prayer at public school graduations and to establish
a new rule that would dramatically increase the permissible role of
religion in government actions.
But during hour-long oral arguments, a number of justices, even some
who have advocated changes to the 20-year-old method of church-state
analysis, appeared unwilling to go as far as the government wants.
The case, on which a ruling is expected by summer, revolves around
whether non-sectarian prayers at public school graduations in Rhode
Island -- and by inference, nationwide -- are illegal, as two lower courts
have held.
But the court also is considering whether the three-part 1971 ``Lemon
test'' for deciding if an action violates the First Amendment's
establishment clause should be modified, or, as the governments wants,
changed altogether.
In Lemon, the court said a policy is unconstitutional unless it has a
secular legislative purpose, does not ``advance'' nor ``inhibit''
religion, and does not foster an ``excessive government entanglement
with religion.''
The government wants Lemon replaced with a standard that absent
official ``coercion'' there is no violation of the Constitution's
requirement of separation of church and state.
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor asked whether, under the coercion test, a
state legislature could adopt a resolution naming a particular religion
the official state religion, like saying ``the bolo tie is the state
tie?''
Charles Cooper, a lawyer for the Providence, R.I., school system,
said that would be allowable ``if it is purely non-coercive.''
Solicitor General Kenneth Starr told the justices ``history and
tradition'' allows a larger religious role in American life than has
been permitted in recent decades by the high court, and called the
invocation in question ``a far cry from practices that the founding
fathers'' meant to prohibit.
The establishment clause, the first 10 words of the First Amendment,
holds that ``Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion.'' Next month marks the 200th anniversary of its ratification.
Sandra Blanding, a lawyer for the Providence family that challenged
the graduation prayer, said even under a coercion test, graduation
prayer should be outlawed. But allowing such a test to replace Lemon
would logically mean a return to prayer in the classrooms themselves,
she said.
O'Connor said she, too, believes the coercion test would allow school
prayer. But both the Justice Department and Cooper said that would not
be a result because a classroom atmosphere is inherently coercive.
There is a ``powerful, subtle, indirect coercive pressure'' in
classroom prayer, said Starr. ``A commencement exercise ... is much more
in the nature of a celebration.''
Cooper said the type of non-denominational graduation prayers now
given at many public schools nationwide are not coercive in part because
students are not required to participate.
The short prayer outlawed in Providence was deemed a constitutional
violation because it included the word ``God.''
Justice Anthony Kennedy, who has advocated a coercion standard, said
it is ``very difficult to accept the proposition that it is not a
substantial imposition on a young graduate'' to have him choose between
hearing the prayer or possibly being an outcast.
He said if the whole class is asked to rise for a prayer, then one
option would be to remain seated.
``They could choose to stand,'' said Starr, so as not to draw
attention to themselves.
``And cross their fingers?'' asked Kennedy.
``You may have to be present to hear things,'' said Starr, ``but that
does not violate freedom of conscience.''
Cooper noted that each session of the Supreme Court begins with a
statement that includes ``God save the United States and this honorable
court.'' Under the rationale of the lower courts here, the graduation
prayer ``pales as a constitutional threat when compared with the opening
of this court,'' he said.
But Blanding said courtroom prayer differs because it is not in
public school and, through long standing tradition, has ``become a rote
kind of thing.''
``You don't think invocations at graduation are a rote kind of
thing?'' asked Scalia.
``I do not believe that prayer at graduations are by any means rote,''
said Blanding.
Justice David Souter asked Cooper whether a sectarian prayer could be
coercion in such an instance, as long as no one was forced to listen.
Cooper said sectarian prayer would not ``per se'' be coercive.
Justice John Paul Stevens then asked if an audience ever could be
coerced if they are not forced to listen.
Scalia, who said the nation ``overwhelmingly believes in God,'' said
the Lemon test could be abandoned without going as far as a strict
coercion analysis.
``Why not non-coercion and non-sectarian?'' as the policy, Scalia
asked. He later asked whether a standard that would require either a
finding of coercion or that a school was involved in ``instruction'' to
prohibit prayer is ``a difference that makes some sense?''
Souter said there are ``two traditions'' in prayer cases that must be
looked at -- one involving public occasions such as presidential
inaugurations, and the second for schools.
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starflt (Derrick Kong):
HMMM, IT'S NOT WORKING
In FGU's Space Opera, a character who has died can be injected with
"TKM," a drug that stops cell decomposition -- but the drug reaches the
whole body via circulation, a function that stops at the moment of
death.
from Murphy's Rules
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therese (Therese):
I sink like a stone that's been thrown in the ocean
My logic has drowned in a sea of emotion.
Stop before you start,
Be still my beating heart.
-- Sting
Nothing Like the Sun
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warlord (Derek Atkins):
From the Net:
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 91 13:39:20 -0500
From: Usenet Oracle <oracle-vote@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: Usenet Oracularity #368-01
Selected-By: nolan@helios.unl.edu (Harold the Foot)
The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply.
Your question was:
> Oh Oracle, whose keyboard never sticks, whose monitor never makes
> strange whistling noises, whose hard disks never crash, whose modem
> never drops carrier, whose mouse never sticks, whose memory never fails
> a test, whose ROMS checksum, whos floppies never get left under the
> phone and then strangly fail to work forever after; why are Exams?
And in response, thus spake the Oracle:
} The Oracle remembers a day, six days and 23 hours after the creation of
} the Universe, when God was feeling bored ....
}
} < screen wavers >
}
} God: I'm bored.
} Oracle: (aside) You need a new screen writer
} (to God) Why don't you invent some other form of life.
} G: I have already created man, so I am feeling a little depressed
} right now.
} O: Have another go. Lightning doesn't strike in the same place
} twice.
} G: Doesn't it. <ZAP> <ZAP>
} O: OK. Don't get techincal. May be if you start man a better seed
} s/he/it will turn out better.
} G: Yes ... educate it ... deprive it of worldly goods and pleasures
} for four years, six if it is really unlucky, ... I'll ... I'll
}
} < great heavenly sounds, like streaking through billowing clouds
} tons of other special effects too expensive for an Ocularity
} on a tight budget >
}
} call it a "stupid"!
} O: A bit obvious. You are supposed to work in mysterious ways.
} G: True. Stupid ... stupid ... I'll come back to that.
} So, what features should this, um, stupid have.
} O: It should not be too intelligent, for that would be a bad
} thing. You didn't give enough to the last lot you made
} and look what a mess they are going to make of it.
} G: To earn the right to survive it should be made to work
} all sorts of strange jobs, doing things even YOU would
} consider depraving.
} O: Speaking of which ...
} G: ... yes. The design team is working on it.
} O: The ability to sleep in any position, and in be oblivious
} to background noise, would surely be an advantage.
} G: And to forget large amounts of very important information
} seemingly at random, to give it character.
} It would have to live scruffly, to inspire it to get out
} of its surrondings.
} O: Yes ... look permanently .... dented.
} G: The name -- how about "stupid-dented".
} O: Too long. They would always be misspelling it. "Student".
} Shorter, can be abbreaviated to "stu" for the really
} dented.
} G: The creature must have a goal.
} O: Get drunk, get laid, make money, have a good time,
} break into Pentagon computers, read dirty magazines.
} G: Stop thinking about what you are going to do tonight and
} help me!
} O: What's a pentagon.
} G: That's for the students to work out.
} O: So what is this goal?
} G: It would have to be painful, but relieving when it is all over
} Require massive amounts of preperation, which they won't ever
} finish. Shall appear completely pointless and will be nearly
} as pointless. If they fail it they will be forced to stay
} another year.
} O: Sort of an trial.
} G: Trial ... how about if they fail I execute them.
} O: Too mean. You would't have any left.
} G: I will need to see if they are still working ... to examine them
} O:
} G: Exams! Of course. Another word they can't misspell. To be carried
} out by an elite priest hood of ex stupids, um, students.
}
} And so it was, six days, 23 hours and fifty-seven minutes after the
} creation of the Universe, God said "Let there be students". After
} thirty seconds of drunken orgie, God said "Let there be exams" and
} the masses wept and cried and begged God for mercy. But God said
} he had spoken, and had something special to do a certain deity in
} the remaining 60 seconds before he rested.
}
} O: Oh, btw, about that
} G: Yes, here she is ..
} L: Oracle!
} O: Lisa!
} L: Oracle!
}
} <the following is not for the eyes of mortals and has been
} censored>
}
} < screen wavers back to its original scene>
}
} There you are. Exams are because exams are. God has spoken.
}
} You owe the Oracle a champange breakfast on a traffic island
} (scheduled for just after the of term), a large amount of
} caffine and that missing piece of film from his archive.
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wslee (Whay Sing Lee):
Move on, move on, never look back. That is the way of life.
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Address: Box 52, 3 Ames Street, Cambridge, MA 02139.
Tel: (617)225-6211 (H) (617)253-6048 (W)
Alternate e-mail address : wslee@ai.mit.edu
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