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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Words from "The Klingon Art of War"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?=)
Tue Nov 18 05:32:20 2014
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:32:04 +0100
From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?= <esperantist@gmail.com>
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Just an idea: perhaps {gheb} in no' Hol or any other early form of Klingon
referred not to the instrument, but to something crooked, horn-like,
perhaps even an animal's horn itself, and is now only used for the musical
instrument (or we simply don't know that it can also be used for the
animal's part). Thus, {QIn gheb} (spearhead horn) could have come from that
word directly, and not via the meaning of the musical instrument.
Another possibility is that the {gheb} indeed referred to a spear with a
crooked horn originally, and because of the shape the musical instrument
got the same name. After the crooked spear fell out of use, the musical
instrument was the main object named {gheb} and to distinguish it from he
old-fashioned spear, {QIn} was added to the latter.
Of course, this is only speculation.
- Andr=C3=A9
2014-11-18 10:56 GMT+01:00 De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>:
> loghaD:
> > This could possibly be a fruit of Bing Translator; entering "sea
> creature"
> > yields =C2=ABngeng roQ=C2=BB.
>
> I believe you are correct.
>
> Ditto the following:
> > QIngheb
> > an ancient weapon similar to the ghIntaq-spear. The handle is longer an=
d
> the
> > blade has a bent horn at the end. Not used very often anymore.
>
> {QIn gheb} is what results when you type "spear with horn" into Bing.
> Presumably, DeCandido meant "horn" in the sense of a curved point. I
> like to imagine, though, that a musical instrument protrudes from the
> bottom end of the blade. :-) No wonder it's not used very often any
> more, anyone wielding it just looks silly.
>
> --
> De'vID
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>Just an idea: perhaps {gheb} in no' Hol or a=
ny other early form of Klingon referred not to the instrument, but to somet=
hing crooked, horn-like, perhaps even an animal's horn itself, and is n=
ow only used for the musical instrument (or we simply don't know that i=
t can also be used for the animal's part). Thus, {QIn gheb} (spearhead =
horn) could have come from that word directly, and not via the meaning of t=
he musical instrument.<br><br>Another possibility is that the {gheb} indeed=
referred to a spear with a crooked horn originally, and because of the sha=
pe the musical instrument got the same name. After the crooked spear fell o=
ut of use, the musical instrument was the main object named {gheb} and to d=
istinguish it from he old-fashioned spear, {QIn} was added to the latter.<b=
r><br></div>Of course, this is only speculation.<br></div>- Andr=C3=A9<br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-11-18 1=
0:56 GMT+01:00 De'vID <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jo=
npin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span>:<b=
r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:=
1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">loghaD:<br>
<span class=3D"">> This could possibly be a fruit of Bing Translator; en=
tering "sea creature"<br>
> yields =C2=ABngeng roQ=C2=BB.<br>
<br>
</span>I believe you are correct.<br>
<br>
Ditto the following:<br>
<span class=3D"">> QIngheb<br>
> an ancient weapon similar to the ghIntaq-spear. The handle is longer a=
nd the<br>
> blade has a bent horn at the end. Not used very often anymore.<br>
<br>
</span>{QIn gheb} is what results when you type "spear with horn"=
into Bing.<br>
Presumably, DeCandido meant "horn" in the sense of a curved point=
. I<br>
like to imagine, though, that a musical instrument protrudes from the<br>
bottom end of the blade. :-) No wonder it's not used very often any<br>
more, anyone wielding it just looks silly.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
De'vID<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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