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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Juggling
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Sat Nov 1 19:06:36 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <8E3E7CCC-026C-44BB-A0D3-384FB0E8A24E@kth.se>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 19:05:53 -0400
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Perhaps when combined with =93in order that the right hand catch it=94 phra=
se, {jaD} would work, but then we have the problem of not having a great wo=
rd for =93catch=94. {Hev} is, for me, the best answer so far, but it still =
feels like one of those near-miss words that doesn=92t carry the full meani=
ng of the simple word =93catch=94.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
> On Nov 1, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
> =
> Some good thoughts. I agree that jaD feels like the wrong word here, but =
there is a description in KGT (where the word was first defined) which [vag=
uely] suggests this could perhaps also refer to targeted throwing:
> =
> =3D=3D KGT, page 91 =3D=3D=3D=3D
> (Note that {Soj woD} ["He/she throws the food away"], which refers to a r=
egrettable activity, is very different from {Soj jaD} ["He/she throws or hu=
rls the food in the manner of a projectile"], which, under certain circumst=
ances, is considered a reasonable pastime.)
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> =
> To me, this sounds like it could either be somebody just throwing it all =
about and making a mess, but it could also perhaps involve throwing it at s=
pecific dinner guests.
> =
> If one were to use a weapon-related term, I think {baQ} may be the best a=
lternative: "toss bat'leth from one hand to the other"
> Still, even if this could be applied to balls, it doesn't really give me =
the sense that they're doing anything particularly acrobatic with the balls=
; it kind of sounds like one is just passing the ball from one hand to anot=
her, as one often does only as an intermediate step between the more majest=
ic, arced throws.
> =
> In paq'batlh, {vo'} ("propel") is used to describe Morath throwing his fa=
ther's sword into a lake (Lake Lusor? Or was it the Kri'stak volcano?).
> I think this could potentially be useful, but one would still need some w=
ay to specify that one isn't just throwing the balls away.
> {vo' ghIq vo'Ha'}? {vo' ghIq Hev}? {vo' ghIq Suqqa'}? {vo' 'ej He le' gho=
Schu'meH Dev}?
> =
> jISovbe'.
> =
>> 1 nov 2014 kl. 22:31 skrev lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmai=
l.com>:
>> =
>> I wanted to write brief directions describing how to juggle when I reali=
ze, we don=92t have a word for =93catch=94. We have {jon} for =93capture=94=
, but that=92s not like catching a ball. We also have no word for =93throw=
=94, like tossing a ball at a target. We have (jaD}, but that definition go=
es out of its way to suggest there is no target. It=92s like tossing around=
an enemy=92s head after a battle.
>> =
>> If you just wanted a to give a vague description, you could say that jug=
gling balls is {moQmey jaD}, but that=92s what it looks like to someone who=
never actually juggles.
>> =
>> I could use {baH}, but that=92s like using {Duj} for a canoe. We all kno=
w that {Duj} refers to a SPACE ship, and we stretch the word out of persona=
l need to describe water ships and other vehicles.
>> =
>> I could use {chuH}, but I=92m not juggling spears, and I=92m not throwin=
g anything a great distance.
>> =
>> I hold two balls in my right hand (ball one and ball three), and I hold =
ball two in my left hand. I toss ball one in order that my left hand catche=
s it. =
>> =
>> I toss ball two in order that my right hand catches it, and in order to =
empty my left hand, ready to catch ball one. I catch ball one.
>> =
>> I toss ball three in order that my left hand catches it, and in order to=
empty my right hand, ready to catch ball two. I catch ball two.
>> =
>> I toss ball one in order that my right hand catches it, and in order to =
empty my left hand, ready to catch ball three. I catch ball three.
>> =
>> The goal of each toss is to make the catch easy. Tossing well is importa=
nt. {potlh tosschu=92ghach}. =
>> =
>> Apparently, Klingons don=92t juggle, or at least Maltz doesn=92t.
>> =
>> lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
>> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
>> =
>> =
>> =
>> =
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