[99712] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Juggling
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Sat Nov 1 18:20:06 2014
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:19:02 +0000
In-Reply-To: <EFCB0993-40BA-4929-854A-0B9DA10CF9A7@gmail.com>
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Some good thoughts. I agree that jaD feels like the wrong word here, but th=
ere is a description in KGT (where the word was first defined) which [vague=
ly] suggests this could perhaps also refer to targeted throwing:
=3D=3D KGT, page 91 =3D=3D=3D=3D
(Note that {Soj woD} ["He/she throws the food away"], which refers to a reg=
rettable activity, is very different from {Soj jaD} ["He/she throws or hurl=
s the food in the manner of a projectile"], which, under certain circumstan=
ces, is considered a reasonable pastime.)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
To me, this sounds like it could either be somebody just throwing it all ab=
out and making a mess, but it could also perhaps involve throwing it at spe=
cific dinner guests.
If one were to use a weapon-related term, I think {baQ} may be the best alt=
ernative: "toss bat'leth from one hand to the other"
Still, even if this could be applied to balls, it doesn't really give me th=
e sense that they're doing anything particularly acrobatic with the balls; =
it kind of sounds like one is just passing the ball from one hand to anothe=
r, as one often does only as an intermediate step between the more majestic=
, arced throws.
In paq'batlh, {vo'} ("propel") is used to describe Morath throwing his fath=
er's sword into a lake (Lake Lusor? Or was it the Kri'stak volcano?).
I think this could potentially be useful, but one would still need some way=
to specify that one isn't just throwing the balls away.
{vo' ghIq vo'Ha'}? {vo' ghIq Hev}? {vo' ghIq Suqqa'}? {vo' 'ej He le' ghoSc=
hu'meH Dev}?
jISovbe'.
> 1 nov 2014 kl. 22:31 skrev lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail=
.com>:
> =
> I wanted to write brief directions describing how to juggle when I realiz=
e, we don=92t have a word for =93catch=94. We have {jon} for =93capture=94,=
but that=92s not like catching a ball. We also have no word for =93throw=
=94, like tossing a ball at a target. We have (jaD}, but that definition go=
es out of its way to suggest there is no target. It=92s like tossing around=
an enemy=92s head after a battle.
> =
> If you just wanted a to give a vague description, you could say that jugg=
ling balls is {moQmey jaD}, but that=92s what it looks like to someone who =
never actually juggles.
> =
> I could use {baH}, but that=92s like using {Duj} for a canoe. We all know=
that {Duj} refers to a SPACE ship, and we stretch the word out of personal=
need to describe water ships and other vehicles.
> =
> I could use {chuH}, but I=92m not juggling spears, and I=92m not throwing=
anything a great distance.
> =
> I hold two balls in my right hand (ball one and ball three), and I hold b=
all two in my left hand. I toss ball one in order that my left hand catches=
it. =
> =
> I toss ball two in order that my right hand catches it, and in order to e=
mpty my left hand, ready to catch ball one. I catch ball one.
> =
> I toss ball three in order that my left hand catches it, and in order to =
empty my right hand, ready to catch ball two. I catch ball two.
> =
> I toss ball one in order that my right hand catches it, and in order to e=
mpty my left hand, ready to catch ball three. I catch ball three.
> =
> The goal of each toss is to make the catch easy. Tossing well is importan=
t. {potlh tosschu=92ghach}. =
> =
> Apparently, Klingons don=92t juggle, or at least Maltz doesn=92t.
> =
> lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
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