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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Knitting" in Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Oct 29 11:48:35 2014
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:48:07 +0000
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If so, I know some Pagan friends who worship the Fates Clotho, Lachesis and=
Atropos who will be elated at the news that they can name their favourite =
deities {San nIqwI'pu'}.
I'd be careful with using the the word in the same figurative senses as in =
English. However, in mythology, the Fates *literally* weave threads of dest=
iny, so I think {San nIqwI'pu'} should be fine.
I am also curious as to what it is one weaves. I'm assuming it is the threa=
ds/strands/filaments themselves, rather than the finished work?
In that case, I might say:
{yIvbeH vIchenmoHmeH SIrghmey vInIq.}
=3D "I weave threads to make a tunic."
or simply {yIvbeH vIchenmoHmeH jInIq.}, but not {yIvbeH vInIq.}, which I'd =
interpret as "I bind tunics together", perhaps to make a rope so I can esca=
pe from the evil king's tower.
It might also be a good word to use to describe braiding hair, or perhaps m=
aking wreaths.
Regarding the Fates:
In paq'batlh (paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 15), deciding somebody's fate is de=
scribed using {chenmoH}:
ngIq tonSaw' lo'
SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS
wej boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH
In one single move,
Kahless decided the fate
Of thousands, and those to come.
(Of course, it's important to note that paq'batlh is intended as a work of =
poetry. Still, it seems a sensible choice of words.)
29 okt 2014 kl. 11:11 skrev Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:fiat_kn=
ox@yahoo.co.uk>>:
Wonder if this can be used in other places where "weave" and "knit" can be =
found?
Some examples I can think of immediately are Walter Scott's "O what a tangl=
ed web we weave when first we practise to deceive!" and the medical term fo=
r when a broken bone begins to reform, as in "The ends of the bone fracture=
are knitting together." Also, can this be used to refer to a spider's (or =
squadron of Tholian ships') web building?
If so, I know some Pagan friends who worship the Fates Clotho, Lachesis and=
Atropos who will be elated at the news that they can name their favourite =
deities {San nIqwI'pu'}.
On Wednesday, 29 October 2014, 3:50, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com<mailto=
:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>> wrote:
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:
> Anyway, thanks for {nIq} and {Hut=92Inmey tIq}. One suspects that since a=
stitch in time saves nine, that {Hut} suggests there=92s a pun here, thoug=
h =93nine bells=94 or =93nine drums=94 doesn=92t make the specific pun obvi=
ous to me yet.
{Hut'In} "nail" is a known pun for Trent Reznor's band. But I wonder if the=
re's a double pun here.
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<div>I'd be careful with using the the word in the same figurative senses a=
s in English. However, in mythology, the Fates *literally* weave threads of=
destiny, so I think {San nIqwI'pu'} should be fine.</div>
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<div>I am also curious as to what it is one weaves. I'm assuming it is the =
threads/strands/filaments themselves, rather than the finished work?</div>
<div>In that case, I might say:</div>
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<div>{yIvbeH vIchenmoHmeH SIrghmey vInIq.}</div>
<div>=3D "I weave threads to make a tunic."</div>
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<div>or simply {yIvbeH vIchenmoHmeH jInIq.}, but not {yIvbeH vInIq.}, which=
I'd interpret as "I bind tunics together", perhaps to make a rop=
e so I can escape from the evil king's tower.</div>
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<div>It might also be a good word to use to describe braiding hair, or perh=
aps making wreaths.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding the Fates:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In paq'batlh (paq'raD, Canto 23, Stanza 15), deciding somebody's fate =
is described using {chenmoH}:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ngIq tonSaw' lo'</div>
<div>SaD law' San chenmoH qeylIS</div>
<div>wej boghbogh nuvpu' San chenmoH</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In one single move,</div>
<div>Kahless decided the fate</div>
<div>Of thousands, and those to come.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(Of course, it's important to note that paq'batlh is intended as a wor=
k of poetry. Still, it seems a sensible choice of words.)</div>
<div><br>
29 okt 2014 kl. 11:11 skrev Fiat Knox <<a href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo=
.co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>>:<br>
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<div><span>Wonder if this can be used in other places where "weave&quo=
t; and "knit" can be found?</span></div>
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<span>Some examples I can think of immediately are Walter Scott's "O w=
hat a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!" and the=
medical term for when a broken bone begins to reform, as in "The ends=
of the bone fracture are knitting together." Also,
can this be used to refer to a spider's (or squadron of Tholian ships') we=
b building?</span></div>
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If so, I know some Pagan friends who worship the Fates Clotho, Lachesis and=
Atropos who will be elated at the news that they can name their favourite =
deities {<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">San nIqwI'pu'</span>}.<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">lojmIt tI'wI' nuv:<br clear=3D"none">
> Anyway, thanks for {nIq} and {Hut=92Inmey tIq}. One suspects that sinc=
e a stitch in time saves nine, that {Hut} suggests there=92s a pun here, th=
ough =93nine bells=94 or =93nine drums=94 doesn=92t make the specific pun o=
bvious to me yet.</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">{Hut'In} "nail" is a known pun for Trent Reznor'=
s band. But I wonder if there's a double pun here.</div>
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