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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] [KLBC] Tlinget influence?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Casey Ransberger)
Thu Oct 23 09:42:01 2014
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From: Casey Ransberger <casey.obrien.r@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:41:41 -0700
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Cc: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
Below.
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
> Casey Ransberger[] :
>>> Does anyone know if the Tlinget language was an influence on the design
>>> of tlhIngan Hol?
>>>
>>> The "Tl" in Tlinget is indistinguishable to my ear the from "tlh" used
>>> in Klingon.
>>>
>>> Some words in the language have a striking similarity in terms of the
>>> sound or feel of the words, and it just really struck me while a dear
>>> friend was putting me onto some people speaking Tlinket after I'd been
>>> going on about Klingon and such.
>
> De'vID:
>> Any similarity you see between Klingon and Tlinget is probably a
>> coincidence, though it possibly stems from a similarity between Tlinget
>> and Mutsun. (I don't know enough about either to comment about
>> that.)
>
> I believe the {tlh} phoneme also occurs in Nahuatl and Navaho - both well studied by linguists. Okrand may have come across them in his class work or reading; apparently it's not uncommon in Amerindian languages. (OTOH the sound is in Welsh too, spelled "ll" IIRC.)
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
The Welsh thing seems a bit left-field, but everything else you just said (seems to) make perfect sense. I've apparently misspelled "Tlingit" as "Tlinget" but mostly same diff. It's a language spoken by native Alaskan Indians, so I can imagine that it might have some very strong relationships with languages spoken by other folks living on the north-american continent at the time.
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