[99562] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mu'mey ram
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Tue Sep 30 01:01:54 2014
In-Reply-To: <BCDC293A-A2FE-407A-A732-DAE18B4AD8D4@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:01:14 -0400
From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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lojmIt tI'wI': your points are well made. I had been getting into the habit
of writing {qaStaHvIS}, but it seemed redundant for periods of time like
{DISmey 'eq}. I guess it all goes back to TKD: {qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD
Hugh SIjlaH}. I expect that {qaStaHvIS} is slurred in Klingon speech.
<Hov leng> vItIvchu' 'e' Sovbejpu' vavwI' SoSwI' je. cha'maH Hut ben
tlhIngan mu'ghom munob. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj neH. DoyIchlan Hol vIghoj ngugh
'e' maS.
SIbI'Ha' <Hov leng: puH poH veb> bej vavwI'. lutmey tIv. 'utlh mojDI'
lutmeyDaj qonchoH je. <Billy the Kid>, tera' noH'a' cha'DIch, nIyma'mey je
bop lutmeyDaj. Huj lutmeyDaj 'ach qa' je'pu' je. tagha' vanpu' lutmeyDaj.
vagh ben Heghpu' vavwI'.
~'eD
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM, <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay, I waited for the BG (Beginners' Grammarian) to step in on this, but
> haven't seen a reply so...
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Bellerophon, modeler <
> bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> mu'mey law' vIlo'laH jIH je, 'ach mu'mey law' vIqawnIS. tlhoy mu'ghom
> vIlo'nISchugh, vaj jIlaDta'pa' jIlIjchoH.
>
>
> jIyajchu'. loQ qay'wI'wIj rur qay'wI'lIj.
>
> Subpu'lI' vIHo' je. jIpo'chu'meH poH yap vIghajpu' 'ach ghojwI' neH jIH.
> cha'maH Hut ben jIHvaD tlhIngan mu'ghom nob SoSwI' vavwI' je.
>
>
> tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'meH tungHa'DI' qorDu' qub wanI'.
>
> DISmey 'eq Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu' 'e' ngugh vISovbe'.
>
>
> This is a little bit confusing. {DISmey 'eq} doesn't seem to have a
> grammatical function in either sentence. {ben} is a time stamp, but {DIS}
> is simply a noun. You have also placed {ngugh} in the same place adverbials
> are placed in canon, though I always want to put them before the {'e'}
> because in any other grammatical sentence, the adverbial goes before the
> direct object instead of after it. Anyway, I think your sentence might be
> clearer if it were rearranged and changed a little:
>
> Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu'. qaStaHvIS DISmey 'eq ngoDvam vISovbe'.
>
> Otherwise it sounds like others have been perfectly studying this language
> for too many years. Or there could be other approaches:
>
> ben 'eq Holvam luHaDchoH latlhpu' 'ej luHaDtaH 'ach wej vIHaDchoH. wej
> nuvpu'vam vIqIH.
>
> Holvam vIghojnISchu' 'e' cha' ben vIwuvta'. mughojmoH latlhpu'vam 'e'
> vIchaw'choH. muQaHqu' Qov, latlh law' je. Qov lutmey vIlaDnISqa'.
>
> naDev chegh HoD Qanqor 'e' tullu'. Seqram bopbogh ngoD puS'e' vISov je.
> 'ach 'Iv ghaH ghIDo wa''e'
>
>
> net tul (as you later corrected, yourself)
>
> ghIDo wa' was one of the two translators of the Klingon Hamlet. He joined
> this list when he was 16. Everybody thought he was a professor of
> linguistics because he wrote like one. We gave him a scholarship so that he
> could go off and become a professor of linguistics. We haven't heard from
> him since.
>
> I may be misspelling the name. I remember that it violated my expectations
> for a well-formed Klingon word. May have been ghuyDo wa'. I tend to
> remember phonetically and then try to spell what I hear.
>
> ~'eD
>
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> maj.
>>
>> pIj mu'ghomwIjDaq mu'mey vISamnIS. mu'mey puS vIqawlaHchu'. mu'mey
>> vIlo'laHmeH laH tIn law', mu'mey vIqawmeH laH tIn puS.
>>
>> mu'mey qawchu' nuvpu' puS. qawchu'ta' Qov. qawchu'taH ghIDo wa'. mej
>> Qov. chegh Qov. mej ghIDo wa'. cheghbe'.
>>
>> Subpu'na' qon tlhIngan Hol qun. mejpu'mo' 'op, 'IQlu'.
>>
>> choyajlaHmo' jIbel. yIqeqtaH!
>>
>> tlhIngan Hol jatlhpa' HoD Qanqor, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'be'. jatlhwI'
>> wa'DIch ghaH. jatlhwI' cha'DIch ghaH Seqram'e'. ja'chuqtaHvIS HoD Qanqor
>> Seqram je, jatlhchoH latlhpu' puS 'e' wIv latlhpu'vam.
>>
>> not tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHchu', 'ach QIt vIlaDlaH 'ej vIghItlhlaH.
>> qeqmeH poH yap vIHutlh. buy' ngopwIj. rut jIghItlhmeH poH vISam. rut
>> vIHutlh. ghaytanHa' jIcheghchu'.
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans=
-serif;font-size:16px">lojmIt tI'wI': your points are well made. I =
had been getting into the habit of writing {qaStaHvIS}, but it seemed redun=
dant for periods of time like {DISmey 'eq}. I guess it all goes back to=
TKD: {qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH}. I expect that {qaStaHvIS=
} is slurred in Klingon speech.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><Hov leng>=
vItIvchu' 'e' Sovbejpu' vavwI' SoSwI' je. cha'=
maH Hut ben tlhIngan mu'ghom munob. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj neH. DoyIchlan =
Hol vIghoj ngugh 'e' maS.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style=3D"=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">SIbI'Ha=
9; <Hov leng: puH poH veb> bej vavwI'. lutmey tIv. 'utlh mojD=
I' lutmeyDaj qonchoH je. <Billy the Kid>, tera' noH'a'=
; cha'DIch, nIyma'mey je bop lutmeyDaj.=C2=A0Huj=C2=A0lutmeyDaj=C2=
=A0'ach qa' je'pu' je. tagha' vanpu' lutmeyDaj. vag=
h ben Heghpu' vavwI'.</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style=3D"font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr=
a" style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">~'eD</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 =
at 5:06 PM, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>Okay=
, I waited for the BG (Beginners' Grammarian) to step in on this, but h=
aven't seen a reply so...</div><br><div><div>On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:33 P=
M, Bellerophon, modeler <<a href=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>mu'mey law' vIlo'=
;laH jIH je, 'ach mu'mey law' vIqawnIS. tlhoy mu'ghom vIlo&=
#39;nISchugh,=C2=A0vaj jIlaDta'pa' jIlIjchoH.</div></div></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>jIyajchu'. loQ qay'wI'wIj rur qay'wI=
'lIj.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">Subpu'lI&=
#39; vIHo' je. jIpo'chu'meH poH yap vIghajpu' 'ach ghoj=
wI' neH jIH. cha'maH Hut ben jIHvaD tlhIngan mu'ghom nob SoSwI&=
#39; vavwI' je.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>tlhIngan Hol ghoj=
lu'meH tungHa'DI' qorDu' qub wanI'.</div><br><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>DISmey 'eq=C2=A0Holvam HaDch=
u'taH latlhpu' 'e' ngugh vISovbe'.</div></div></div></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a little bit confusing. {DISmey '=
eq} doesn't seem to have a grammatical function in either sentence. {be=
n} is a time stamp, but {DIS} is simply a noun. You have also placed {ngugh=
} in the same place adverbials are placed in canon, though I always want to=
put them before the {'e'} because in any other grammatical sentenc=
e, the adverbial goes before the direct object instead of after it. Anyway,=
I think your sentence might be clearer if it were rearranged and changed a=
little:</div><div><br></div><div>Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu'. qaSta=
HvIS DISmey 'eq ngoDvam vISovbe'.</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwis=
e it sounds like others have been perfectly studying this language for too =
many years. Or there could be other approaches:</div><div><br></div><div>be=
n 'eq Holvam luHaDchoH latlhpu' 'ej luHaDtaH 'ach wej vIHaD=
choH. wej nuvpu'vam vIqIH.</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><div>Holvam =C2=A0vIghojnISchu' 'e' cha' ben =
vIwuvta'. mughojmoH latlhpu'vam 'e' vIchaw'choH. muQaHq=
u' Qov, latlh law' je. Qov lutmey vIlaDnISqa'.</div><div><br></=
div><div>naDev chegh HoD Qanqor 'e' tullu'. Seqram bopbogh ngoD=
puS'e' vISov je. 'ach 'Iv ghaH ghIDo wa''e'</d=
iv></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>net tul (as you later corre=
cted, yourself)</div><div><br></div><div>ghIDo wa' was one of the two t=
ranslators of the Klingon Hamlet. He joined this list when he was 16. Every=
body thought he was a professor of linguistics because he wrote like one. W=
e gave him a scholarship so that he could go off and become a professor of =
linguistics. We haven't heard from him since.</div><div><br></div><div>=
I may be misspelling the name. I remember that it violated my expectations =
for a well-formed Klingon word. May have been ghuyDo wa'. I tend to rem=
ember phonetically and then try to spell what I hear.</div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>~'eD</div><div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM=
, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:=
1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>maj.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>pIj mu'ghomwIjDaq mu'mey vISamnIS. mu'mey puS vIqawlaHchu'=
;. mu'mey vIlo'laHmeH laH tIn law', mu'mey vIqawmeH laH tIn=
puS.</div><div><br></div><div>mu'mey qawchu' nuvpu' puS. qawch=
u'ta' Qov. =C2=A0qawchu'taH ghIDo wa'. mej Qov. chegh Qov. =
mej ghIDo wa'. cheghbe'.</div><div><br></div><div>Subpu'na'=
qon tlhIngan Hol qun. mejpu'mo' 'op, 'IQlu'.=C2=A0</di=
v><div><br></div><div>choyajlaHmo' jIbel. yIqeqtaH!</div><div><br></div=
><div>tlhIngan Hol jatlhpa' HoD Qanqor, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'be'=
;. jatlhwI' wa'DIch ghaH. jatlhwI' cha'DIch ghaH Seqram'=
;e'. ja'chuqtaHvIS HoD Qanqor Seqram je, jatlhchoH latlhpu' puS=
'e' wIv latlhpu'vam.</div><div><br></div><div>not tlhIngan Hol=
vIjatlhlaHchu', 'ach QIt vIlaDlaH 'ej vIghItlhlaH. qeqmeH poH =
yap vIHutlh. buy' ngopwIj. rut jIghItlhmeH poH vISam. rut vIHutlh. ghay=
tanHa' jIcheghchu'.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><s=
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