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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] supersonic submarines?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Tue Aug 26 22:16:43 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <33899159-B5C1-4C28-8B4A-DCD85EDFD477@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 22:16:28 -0400
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Just consider the deafened whales and dolphins=85 And submarines. Do you th=
ink a sonar unit could continue to operate after a sonic wave thundered pas=
t? Our entire underwater fleet would be blinded by this.
Sea coral crushed! Tsunamis!
wejpuH.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:08 PM, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmai=
l.com> wrote:
> QIpchu=92 qechvam.
> =
> While I=92m finding this quite challenging to discuss in Klingon, I have =
to say that this technology seems like an indescribably stupid idea. I=92m =
stunned just trying to think how anyone could fail to see the fundamentally=
unsolvable problems involved.
> =
> There=92s no way that sending a supersonic submarine through the ocean wi=
ll ever be safe or financially competitive to flying. The air has fewer thi=
ngs to run into than the sea, and it costs a lot less to run an engine in t=
he air than under water, especially if that engine has to have enough horse=
power to push that much water out of the way. Maybe the water doesn=92t hav=
e to touch the submarine, but you have to push the water out of the way of =
the bubble, and Newton has quite a lot to say about how much energy it take=
s to move that many pounds of water out of your way along a tube the diamet=
er of a submarine, the length of an ocean.
> =
> Also note that submarines weigh a lot more than airplanes, and you have t=
o accelerate that greater mass through a medium that has greater mass. The =
enormous waste of fuel required in order to move that much mass through tha=
t much mass when you have such obvious alternatives is stupendous.
> =
> Also consider that submarines don=92t use underwater radar because radar =
doesn=92t work underwater very well. Submarines use sonar, which won=92t wo=
rk in a supersonic submarine. So, a supersonic submarine would be a blind s=
ubmarine, and it can=92t use a GPS to know where it is, either. The water s=
urface is a problem.
> =
> The engineers who think this will ever make commercial travel underwater =
feasible are idiots; the lowest order of morons. This is not appropriate te=
chnology.
> =
> Do they think this won=92t affect fish populations? Can you imagine Green=
peace=92s response to this? What about the affect at the surface of this mu=
ch displaced water? What would the shock wave do from supersonic travel thr=
ough an incompressible medium? This would change ocean currents. It would f=
undamentally yank entire weather systems. If it ever became common, likely =
it would end life on the planet as we know it. The whole =93growing food in=
places=94 thing would probably stop working.
> =
> I=92m sure that cockroaches would find a way to survive this, but humanit=
y? Not so much. The biosphere would find a lot of new food in the form of h=
uman corpses. Otherwise, it would not be so good for much of the rest of th=
e species.
> =
> This is the stupidest thing since atomic power and atomic weapons, and it=
would produce less benefit than either with more obvious costs.
> =
> You want to transport people really fast? It would be less stupid to fly =
them over with solid-fueled rockets, then let them parachute from high alti=
tude. This is another stupid idea, but it would be easier to do, would cost=
less and would have less catastrophic side effects.
> =
> chaq tlhIngan nap =91oH napvam. HoH=92eghpu=92DI=92 Hoch tera=92nganpu=92=
, ngeD charghmeH Qu=92. =
> =
> But no. It would be too easy. This is not the Klingon way. ghaytan romulu=
Sngan nap =91oH.
> =
> lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
> =
> =
> =
> On Aug 26, 2014, at 1:29 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> =
>> Interesting article:
>> http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1580226/shanghai-san-francisco-10=
0-minutes-chinese-supersonic-submarine =
>> =
>> I'm reminded of Trek "warp bubbles": *{pIvchem pel'aQ}, literally "shel=
l" as there's no word for bubble. (Anyone think of a better translation?)
>> =
>> To discuss this, we have the noun {wab} "sound, noise" available but no =
simple word for a submarine. We'd need to describe it, e.g. *{bIQ'a' bIngD=
aq lengbogh (lengmeH) Duj}.
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>> =
>> --
>> Voragh
>> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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