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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] puS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Sat Jun 28 00:17:05 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 00:16:52 -0400
To: tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org
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Consider that the threshold in Klingon between {law=92} and {puS} can be =
between several and many, instead of your arbitrary choice to declare =
the proper threshold to be between a few and several.
After all, Klingons consider yellow to be a color associated with blue =
and green (a really light shade of green) instead of red and orange (a =
really light shade of orange). It=92s arbitrary where these thresholds =
sit that mark a difference between vaguely differentiated descriptions. =
Accept the definition instead of bending it to your arbitrary choice.
When I read the definition, I see {puS} =3D =93not a lot=94 and {law=92} =
=3D =93a lot=94.
All of this is vague, when most of the time the MAIN thing we are =
marking here is that {law=92} is more than {puS}. Also that {law=92} is =
noteworthy because it is a lot, and {puS} is noteworthy because it is =
not all that many. If the number is not noteworthy=85 if it were merely =
the usual, expected number of something, then we probably wouldn=92t use =
either word.
When one might expect X under typical conditions, but one observes a =
number clearly less than X, the word {puS} comes to mind. When one =
encounters noticeably more than X, then the word {law=92} comes to mind. =
There is no single number X to measure this word choice by. If there =
were, then it would be in the definition.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Brad Wilson <bmacliam@aol.com> wrote:
> The definition for {puS} in TKD has always bothered me - be few, be =
several, be a handful.
> To me a handful is a few, but several is more than that. I wouldn't =
put these together in meaning.
> I usually just ignore the "several" entry and use {law'} instead for =
several/many.
> How do others reconcile this?
>=20
> gheyIl
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after-white-space;"><div>Consider that the threshold in Klingon between =
{law=92} and {puS} can be between several and many, instead of your =
arbitrary choice to declare the proper threshold to be between a few and =
several.</div><div><br></div><div>After all, Klingons consider yellow to =
be a color associated with blue and green (a really light shade of =
green) instead of red and orange (a really light shade of orange). It=92s =
arbitrary where these thresholds sit that mark a difference between =
vaguely differentiated descriptions. Accept the definition instead of =
bending it to your arbitrary choice.</div><div><br></div><div>When I =
read the definition, I see {puS} =3D =93not a lot=94 and {law=92} =3D =93a=
lot=94.</div><div><br></div><div>All of this is vague, when most of the =
time the MAIN thing we are marking here is that {law=92} is more than =
{puS}. Also that {law=92} is noteworthy because it is a lot, and {puS} =
is noteworthy because it is not all that many. If the number is not =
noteworthy=85 if it were merely the usual, expected number of something, =
then we probably wouldn=92t use either =
word.</div><div><br></div><div>When one might expect X under typical =
conditions, but one observes a number clearly less than X, the word =
{puS} comes to mind. When one encounters noticeably more than X, then =
the word {law=92} comes to mind. There is no single number X to measure =
this word choice by. If there were, then it would be in the =
definition.</div><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh</div><div>Door Repair Guy, =
Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Brad Wilson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bmacliam@aol.com">bmacliam@aol.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">The definition for {puS} =
in TKD has always bothered me - <span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">be few, be several, be a =
handful.</span>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;">To me a handful is a few, but several is more than =
that. I wouldn't put these together in meaning.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;">I usually just ignore the "several" entry and use =
{law'} instead for several/many.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;">How do others reconcile this?</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 10pt;">gheyIl</span></div>
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