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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] vagh jaj, vagh 'uy' DarSeq je
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Fri Jun 27 15:12:04 2014
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:11:51 -0400
From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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nIqolay, voragh je Satlho'neS. {law'}, {puS} je lo'meH, DaHjaj jIH val
law', wa'Hu' jIH val puS.
bI'reng
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
wrote:
> bI'reng:
> < I was wondering about comparatives just last night. Here's my general
> < thinking. It's easy when the comparison is a straightforward "This noun
> < is more adjective than that noun." For example:
> <
> < 1. batlh potlh law' yIn potlh puS [TKW]
> < Honor is more important than life.
> <
> < It gets a little more complicated when you want to compare ideas rather
> < than just nouns.
> <
> < 2. QamvIS Hegh qaq law', torvIS yIn qaq puS [TKW]
> < Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.
> <
> < We can dissect this all day, I'm sure. We could see {QamvIS Hegh} and
> < {torvIS yIn} as noun phrases, that way they fit the standard [A Q law',
> < B Q puS] formula. [....]
>
> Talking about comparisons... noun phrases in the A and B slots (marked by
> angle brackets) can be fairly complicated:
>
> DujvamDaq <tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh> pov law' Hoch pov puS 'ej DujvamDaq
> <'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh> po' law' <tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law'> po' puS
> It [IKC Pagh] has the best weapons and some of the finest warriors in
> the Klingon fleet. S7
>
> Also note that each comparison in this compound sentence is prefaced by
> {DujvamDaq} "in this ship". Other examples of using an introductory place
> stamp (again marked in angle brackets) are:
>
> <reH latlh qabDaq> qul tuj law' Hoch tuj puS
> The fire is always hotter on someone else's face. PK
>
> <qIbDaq SuvwI''e'> SoH Dun law' Hoch Dun puS
> You would be the greatest warrior in the galaxy. ST5
>
> Another way to compare ideas is to preface the {law'/puS} formula with a
> dependent clause, setting out the parameters as it were:
>
> <jonlu'meH> wo'maj pop tIn law' Hoch tIn puS
> Our Empire's highest bounty has been placed on his head. (ST5 notes)
>
> <tlhutlhmeH> HIq ngeb qaq law' bIQ qaq puS
> Drinking fake ale is better than drinking water. TKW
>
> <noH ghoblu'DI'> yay quv law' Hoch quv puS
> In war there is nothing more honorable than victory. TKW
>
> <tlhIngan wo' yuQmey chovlu'chugh> Qo'noS potlh law' Hoch potlh puS
> The principal planet of the Klingon Empire, Qo'noS... S27
>
> If you ignore the phrases in angle brackets, the comparisons become simple.
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">nIqolay, voragh je Satlho'neS. {law'}, {puS} je lo=
'meH, DaHjaj jIH val law', wa'Hu' jIH val puS.<div><br></di=
v><div>bI'reng</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steven Boozer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target=3D"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</=
a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
bI'reng:<br>
<div class=3D"">< I was wondering about comparatives just last night. =
=C2=A0Here's my general<br>
< thinking. It's easy when the comparison is a straightforward "=
;This noun<br>
< is more adjective than that noun." For example:<br>
<<br>
< =C2=A0 =C2=A01.=C2=A0batlh potlh law' yIn potlh puS [TKW]<br>
<=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Honor is more important than life.<br>
<<br>
< It gets a little more complicated when you want to compare ideas rathe=
r<br>
< than just nouns.<br>
<<br>
<=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A02. QamvIS Hegh qaq law', torvIS yIn qaq puS [TKW=
]<br>
<=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Better to die on our feet than live on our k=
nees.<br>
<<br>
< We can dissect this all day, I'm sure. We could see {QamvIS Hegh} =
and<br>
< {torvIS yIn} as noun phrases, that way they fit the standard [A Q law&=
#39;,<br>
</div>< B Q puS] formula. [....]<br>
<br>
Talking about comparisons... noun phrases in the A and B slots (marked by a=
ngle brackets) can be fairly complicated:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 DujvamDaq <tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh> pov law' Hoch =
pov puS 'ej DujvamDaq<br>
=C2=A0 <'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh> po' law' <t=
lhIngan yo' SuvwI' law'> po' puS<br>
=C2=A0 It [IKC Pagh] has the best weapons and some of the finest warriors i=
n<br>
=C2=A0 the Klingon fleet. S7<br>
<br>
Also note that each comparison in this compound sentence is prefaced by {Du=
jvamDaq} "in this ship". =C2=A0Other examples of using an introdu=
ctory place stamp (again marked in angle brackets) are:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <reH latlh qabDaq> qul tuj law' Hoch tuj puS<br>
=C2=A0 The fire is always hotter on someone else's face. PK<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <qIbDaq SuvwI''e'> SoH Dun law' Hoch Dun puS<b=
r>
=C2=A0 You would be the greatest warrior in the galaxy. ST5<br>
<br>
Another way to compare ideas is to preface the {law'/puS} formula with =
a dependent clause, setting out the parameters as it were:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <jonlu'meH> wo'maj pop tIn law' Hoch tIn puS<br>
=C2=A0 Our Empire's highest bounty has been placed on his head. (ST5 no=
tes)<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <tlhutlhmeH> HIq ngeb qaq law' bIQ qaq puS<br>
=C2=A0 Drinking fake ale is better than drinking water. TKW<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <noH ghoblu'DI'> yay quv law' Hoch quv puS<br>
=C2=A0 In war there is nothing more honorable than victory. TKW<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 <tlhIngan wo' yuQmey chovlu'chugh> Qo'noS potlh la=
w' Hoch potlh puS<br>
=C2=A0 The principal planet of the Klingon Empire, Qo'noS... S27<br>
<br>
If you ignore the phrases in angle brackets, the comparisons become simple.=
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Voragh<br>
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
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