[99030] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Rape
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue Jun 24 23:20:48 2014
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 21:20:43 -0600
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Using ghIb in that way makes it very clear. ghIbbe=E2=80=99chugh vaj =
*rape* =E2=80=98oH.
It=E2=80=99s much better than the term pe=E2=80=99vIl ngagh which not =
only does not distinguish between consensual _forceful_ mating and =
mating with someone who does not consent, _by force_, but also does not =
address mating with someone unable to offer consent or resistance.=20
The verb wem may also be useful for this purpose.
- Qov
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From: Bellerophon, modeler [mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]=20
Sent: June 24, 2014 20:31
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Rape
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be'nalwI' Dangagh 'ej ghIbbe'qu'! qatlh SoHvaD jIjatlhtaH? SoH qaHoHta'.
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One wonders if rape is even possible among Klingons, given differences =
in culture and biology. The women are especially fierce: Klingon males =
suffer serious injury in romantic encounters. Also, the human male's =
motivation for rape (the cowardly exercise of power over the helpless) =
is not likely to be shared by the Klingon male. While some Klingons lack =
honor, committing rape seems particularly dishonorable. Of course, that =
is a human perspective.
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~'eD
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On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com> =
wrote:
Warning: This post contains material that may be sensitive or =
objectionable to some.
Based on Voragh's recent KWotD: HeQ and specifically the word {ghIb} - =
"consent" found under the "similar words" heading, I propose this =
phrasing:
be'nalwI' Dangagh 'ej ghIbbe'qu'!!! - "You mated with my wife and she =
did NOT consent!!!"
~quljIb
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D'>Using ghIb in that way makes it very clear. ghIbbe=E2=80=99chugh vaj =
*<b>rape</b>* =E2=80=98oH.<br><br>It=E2=80=99s much better than the term =
pe=E2=80=99vIl ngagh which not only does not distinguish between =
consensual _<i>forceful</i>_ mating and mating with someone who does not =
consent, _<i>by force</i>_, but also does not address mating with =
someone unable to offer consent or resistance. <br><br>The verb wem may =
also be useful for this purpose.<br><br>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Bellerophon, modeler [mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com] =
<br><b>Sent:</b> June 24, 2014 20:31<br><b>To:</b> =
tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] =
Rape<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>be'nalwI' Dangagh 'ej ghIbbe'qu'! qatlh SoHvaD =
jIjatlhtaH? SoH qaHoHta'.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>One wonders if rape is even possible among Klingons, =
given differences in culture and biology. The women are especially =
fierce: Klingon males suffer serious injury in romantic encounters. =
Also, the human male's motivation for rape (the cowardly exercise of =
power over the helpless) is not likely to be shared by the Klingon male. =
While some Klingons lack honor, committing rape seems particularly =
dishonorable. Of course, that is a human =
perspective.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>~'eD<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Gaerfindel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">gaerfindel@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Warning: This post contains material that may be =
sensitive or objectionable to some.<br><br>Based on Voragh's recent =
KWotD: HeQ and specifically the word {ghIb} - "consent" found =
under the "similar words" heading, I propose this =
phrasing:<br><br>be'nalwI' Dangagh 'ej ghIbbe'qu'!!! - "You mated =
with my wife and she did NOT =
consent!!!"<br><br>~quljIb<br><br>__________________________________=
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