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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] ghargh'a Doq Hud'a' je -- wa' vI' wa'DIch
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sun Jun 22 21:58:17 2014
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:57:55 -0700
To: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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> On Jun 22, 2014, at 18:40, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 6/22/2014 9:19 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
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>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:32, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On 6/20/2014 2:47 PM, Gaerfindel wrote:
>>>> I'm sure that by now everyone has seen the duel between Gregor "The =
Mountain" Clegane and Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell. That's exa=
ctly what I'm going to *attempt* to describe in Klingon. Wish me luck!
>>> So after much hel -- particularly with the difference between {lung} and=
{ghargh} -- I've reworked the first part of the tale: The Call to Attention=
.
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>>> {Qoy! Qoy
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>> Is Qoy an order or a statement? The former would be clearer with an impe=
rative prefix. Also if it's an order, putting the vocative before the order k=
inda makes sense. As in: hey you, do this.=20
>>> Hoch jupwi'pu'!=20
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>> -pu' is type 2. -wI' is type 4 and spelled incorrectly.
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> So basically: {Qoy! juppu'wI' yIQoy!
Have another look at the verb prefix table.=20
>>=20
>>> SeymoH lut. pIlmoH lut. DunmoH
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>> nuq DunmoH?
> Meh. I could have gone with just {Dun} "be wonderful", here.
HIja'.=20
>>> 'ej 'IQmoHbogh lut.
>> With the type 9 this becomes a sentence fragment.
> So much the same with above? {'ej 'IQmoH} "and tragic" (lit. "causes sadn=
ess")
maj.
>>=20
>>> Haychu'ta' ghargh Doq HuD je lut Samuch!}
>>=20
>> A comma between elements in an anded list helps readability.
> Noted.
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>> You also need punctuation between the two sentences. yap . : ; ghap.=20
>> =20
>> "A red/orange serpent/worm and a mountain duel to the death" and "I prese=
nt you with the story.".=20
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>>> Whaddya think?
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>> lut'e' vIlaD 'e' vIloS. lutvam vISovbe' 'ej lutmey vItIv.=20
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>> -Qov
> qatlho'
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> ~quljIb
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><br></div><div><br>On Jun 22, 2014, at 18:40, Gaerfindel <<a href="mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com">gaerfindel@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/22/2014 9:19 AM, Robyn Stewart
wrote:<br>
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On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:32, Gaerfindel <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com">gaerfindel@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2014 2:47 PM, Gaerfindel
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:BLU436-SMTP7327FDD033BD17BC432060D2120@phx.gbl" type="cite">
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charset=UTF-8">
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I'm sure that by
now everyone has seen the duel between Gregor "The
Mountain" Clegane and Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell.
That's exactly what I'm going to *attempt* to describe in
Klingon. Wish me luck!<br>
</font></blockquote>
So after much hel -- particularly with the difference between
{lung} and {ghargh} -- I've reworked the first part of the
tale: The Call to Attention.<br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><br>
{Qoy! Qoy </font></div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Is Qoy an order or a statement? The former would be clearer with
an imperative prefix. Also if it's an order, putting the vocative
before the order kinda makes sense. As in: hey you, do this.
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote cite="mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca" type="cite">
<div>
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<div><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Hoch </font>jupwi'pu'! </font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
-pu' is type 2. -wI' is type 4 and spelled incorrectly. <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
So basically: {Qoy! juppu'wI' yIQoy!<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Have another look at the verb prefix table. <div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<blockquote cite="mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca" type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> SeymoH
lut. pIlmoH lut.</font><font face="Times New Roman,
Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">
DunmoH</font></font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
nuq DunmoH?<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Meh. I could have gone with just {Dun} "be wonderful", here.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>HIja'. </div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<blockquote cite="mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca" type="cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">'ej 'IQmoHbogh
lut.</font></font></div>
</blockquote>
With the type 9 this becomes a sentence fragment. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
So much the same with above? {'ej 'IQmoH} "and tragic" (lit.
"causes sadness")<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>maj.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<blockquote cite="mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca" type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> Haychu'ta'
ghargh Doq HuD je lut Samuch!}<br>
</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
A comma between elements in an anded list helps readability. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Noted.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca" type="cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You also need punctuation between the two sentences. yap .
: ; ghap. </div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>"A red/orange serpent/worm and a mountain duel to the
death" and "I present you with the story.". </div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> <br>
Whaddya think?<br>
</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
lut'e' vIlaD 'e' vIloS. lutvam vISovbe' 'ej lutmey vItIv. <br>
<div><br>
</div>
-Qov<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
qatlho'<br>
<br>
~quljIb<br>
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