[98986] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] ghargh'a Doq Hud'a' je -- wa' vI' wa'DIch
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gaerfindel)
Sun Jun 22 21:40:29 2014
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:40:05 -0400
From: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
--===============3430910406420364478==
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------000801040406050707060705"
--------------000801040406050707060705
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 6/22/2014 9:19 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 5:32, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com
> <mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2014 2:47 PM, Gaerfindel wrote:
>>> I'm sure that by now everyone has seen the duel between Gregor "The
>>> Mountain" Clegane and Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell. That's exactly
>>> what I'm going to *attempt* to describe in Klingon. Wish me luck!
>> So after much hel -- particularly with the difference between {lung}
>> and {ghargh} -- I've reworked the first part of the tale: The Call to
>> Attention.
>>
>> {Qoy! Qoy
>
> Is Qoy an order or a statement? The former would be clearer with an
> imperative prefix. Also if it's an order, putting the vocative before
> the order kinda makes sense. As in: hey you, do this.
>
>> Hoch jupwi'pu'!
>
> -pu' is type 2. -wI' is type 4 and spelled incorrectly.
So basically: {Qoy! juppu'wI' yIQoy!
>
>> SeymoH lut. pIlmoH lut.DunmoH
>
> nuq DunmoH?
Meh. I could have gone with just {Dun} "be wonderful", here.
>> 'ej 'IQmoHbogh lut.
> With the type 9 this becomes a sentence fragment.
So much the same with above? {'ej 'IQmoH} "and tragic" (lit. "causes
sadness")
>
>> Haychu'ta' ghargh Doq HuD je lut Samuch!}
>
> A comma between elements in an anded list helps readability.
Noted.
>
> You also need punctuation between the two sentences. yap . : ; ghap.
>
> "A red/orange serpent/worm and a mountain duel to the death" and "I
> present you with the story.".
>
>>
>> Whaddya think?
>
> lut'e' vIlaD 'e' vIloS. lutvam vISovbe' 'ej lutmey vItIv.
>
> -Qov
qatlho'
~quljIb
--------------000801040406050707060705
Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html>
<head>
<meta content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3DUTF-8" http-equiv=3D"Content-Ty=
pe">
</head>
<body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000">
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/22/2014 9:19 AM=2C Robyn Stewart
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca"
type=3D"cite">
<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3DU=
TF-8">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
On Jun 22=2C 2014=2C at 5:32=2C Gaerfindel <=3B<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com">g=
aerfindel@hotmail.com</a>>=3B
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<meta content=3D"text/html=3B charset=3DUTF-8"
http-equiv=3D"Content-Type">
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2014 2:47 PM=2C Gaerfindel
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:BLU436-SMTP7327FDD033BD17BC432060D2120@phx.gbl"
type=3D"cite">
<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html=3B
charset=3DUTF-8">
<font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif">I'm sure that =
by
now everyone has seen the duel between Gregor "The
Mountain" Clegane and Oberyn "The Red Viper" Martell.=C2=A0
That's exactly what I'm going to *attempt* to describe in
Klingon.=C2=A0 Wish me luck!<br>
</font></blockquote>
So after much hel -- particularly with the difference between
{lung} and {ghargh} -- I've reworked the first part of the
tale: The Call to Attention.<br>
<font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif"><br>
{Qoy!=C2=A0 Qoy </font></div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Is Qoy an order or a statement? =C2=A0The former would be clearer wit=
h
an imperative prefix. Also if it's an order=2C putting the vocative
before the order kinda makes sense. As in: hey you=2C do this.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca"
type=3D"cite">
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif"><font
face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif">Hoch </font>jupw=
i'pu'!=C2=A0</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
-pu' is type 2. -wI' is type 4 and spelled incorrectly. <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
So basically: {Qoy!=C2=A0 juppu'wI' yIQoy!<br>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca"
type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif"> SeymoH
lut.=C2=A0 pIlmoH lut.</font><font face=3D"Times New Roman=
=2C
Times=2C serif"><font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C s=
erif">=C2=A0
DunmoH</font></font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
nuq DunmoH?<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Meh. I could have gone with just {Dun} "be wonderful"=2C here.<br>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca"
type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif"><font
face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif">'ej 'IQmoHbogh
lut.</font></font></div>
</blockquote>
With the type 9 this becomes a sentence fragment. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
So much the same with above?=C2=A0 {'ej 'IQmoH} "and tragic" (lit.
"causes sadness")<br>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca"
type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif">=C2=A0 Ha=
ychu'ta'
ghargh Doq HuD je lut Samuch!}<br>
</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
A comma between elements in an anded list helps readability. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Noted.<br>
<blockquote
cite=3D"mid:95360AFD-304B-496E-8701-0A1FF0512A30@flyingstart.ca"
type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You also need punctuation between the two sentences. yap .
: =3B ghap.=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br>
</div>
<div>"A red/orange serpent/worm and a mountain duel to the
death" and "I present you with the story.".=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Times New Roman=2C Times=2C serif"> <br>
Whaddya think?<br>
</font></div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
lut'e' vIlaD 'e' vIloS. lutvam vISovbe' 'ej lutmey vItIv.=C2=A0<b=
r>
<div><br>
</div>
-Qov<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
qatlho'<br>
<br>
~quljIb<br>
</body>
</html>
--------------000801040406050707060705--
--===============3430910406420364478==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline
_______________________________________________
Tlhingan-hol mailing list
Tlhingan-hol@kli.org
http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
--===============3430910406420364478==--
