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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue Jun 17 00:05:23 2014
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
In-Reply-To: <8D157E89CA62C82-3124-69EC@webmail-d209.sysops.aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:05:09 -0700
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The question you want to ask is actually lojmIt DawIvbogh yIngu', and you're
right in that many sentences that are questions in English are best rendered
as commands in Klingon. Questions are demands for information, after all.
lojmIt DawIv 'e' yIngu' comes out meaning something like "Identify that you
choose a door." If I didn't know what you were aiming at there, I would have
suggested you change it to lojmIt DawIv 'e' yI'ol - Verify that you will
choose a door, because that's what the meaning approaches.
The word 'e' has the very specific purpose of making the entire preceding
sentence the object of the following verb.
I too don't have a problem with lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv? being answered with
lojmIt wej vIwIv, but understand that it isn't an exact match. I'm not sure
what the question that matches exactly in English is.
- Qov
From: Brad Wilson [mailto:bmacliam@aol.com]
Sent: June 16, 2014 19:12
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq
>>> ghItlh Steven Boozer:
If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch
DawIv?}
You answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}
There doesn't seem to be a way to ask the question that is answered by
{lojmIt wej vIwIv}. "I choose door #3."
>>>
Is there are requirement that if the question uses {'arDIch} that the answer
must use {number-DIch}?
It would seem that {-DIch} is a "sequential" marker that identifies its
headword either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some
other criterion.
To elicit a response of {lojmIt wej vIwIv}, a question of the form {lojmIt
DawIv 'e' yIngu'} would be in order (which isn't a question at all).
gheyIl
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D'>The question you want to ask is actually lojmIt DawIvbogh =
yIngu’, and you’re right in that many sentences that are =
questions in English are best rendered as commands in Klingon. Questions =
are demands for information, after all.<br><br>lojmIt DawIv =
‘e’ yIngu’ comes out meaning something like =
“Identify that you choose a door.” If I didn’t know =
what you were aiming at there, I would have suggested you change it to =
lojmIt DawIv ‘e’ yI’ol – Verify that you will =
choose a door, because that’s what the meaning =
approaches.<br><br>The word ‘e’ has the very specific =
purpose of making the entire preceding sentence the object of the =
following verb.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I too don’t have a problem with lojmIt ‘arDIch DawIv? =
being answered with lojmIt wej vIwIv, but understand that it isn’t =
an exact match. I’m not sure what the question that matches =
exactly in English is.<br><br>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brad =
Wilson [mailto:bmacliam@aol.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> June 16, 2014 =
19:12<br><b>To:</b> tlhingan-hol@kli.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>>>> =
ghItlh Steven Boozer:</span></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><s=
pan style=3D'color:black'>If I ask, "Which door do you =
choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} =
<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style=3D'color:black'>You =
answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch =
vIwIv.}<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'color:black'>There doesn't seem to be a way to ask the question =
that is answered by {lojmIt wej vIwIv}. "I choose door =
#3."</span></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o=
:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>>>></span=
></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre>=
<tt><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Is =
there are requirement that if the question uses {'arDIch} that the =
answer must use {number-DIch}?</span></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It would seem =
that {-DIch} is a "sequential" marker that identifies its =
headword either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some =
other criterion.</span></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To elicit a =
response of {lojmIt wej vIwIv}, a question of the form {lojmIt DawIv 'e' =
yIngu'} would be in order (which isn't a question at =
all).</span></tt><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><s=
pan =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>gheyIl</span></tt>=
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