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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com)
Mon Jun 16 17:58:24 2014
From: lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com
In-Reply-To: <ACF6622D959A8842A81E4471BA56A7E02F7DBEB9@xm-mbx-04-prod.ad.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:57:28 -0400
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
Wow again.
If I ask, "How many doors do you choose?" it's simple. {lojmIt 'ar DawIv?} You answer "I choose three doors." {wej lojmIt vIwIv.}
If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} You answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}
There doesn't seem to be a way to ask the question that is answered by {lojmIt wej vIwIv}. "I choose door #3."
Or "I live at house number 512 on Maltz street."
We have to resort to {lojmIt yIngu'!} for that kind of question, apparently.
On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Qov:
>> I'd do an archive search but ... website search sucks.
>> Have we ever discussed the extension of 'ar beyond subject and object?
>> We have the examples:
>>
>> nIn 'ar wIghaj?
>> Haw'pu' yaS 'ar?
>
> Here are the examples I know of:
>
> 'ar how many? how much?
>
> Haw'pu' yaS 'ar
> How many officers fled? TKD
>
> nIn 'ar wIghaj
> How much fuel do we have (left)? TKD/CK
>
> Huch 'ar DaneH?
> How much money do you want? TKD
>
> Dochvetlh DIlmeH Huch 'ar DaneH
> How much do you want for that? TKD
>
> mughoS 'avwI' 'ar
> How many guards are coming? CK
>
>
> 'arlogh how many times? (st.k)
>
> 'arlogh Qoylu'pu'
> How many times has (someone) heard (it)?
> How many times has it been heard?
> (i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
>
> 'arlogh wab Qoylu'pu'?
> How many times has someone heard the sound?
> How many times has the sound been heard?
> (i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
>
> qen 'arlogh Qoylu'pu'?
> Recently, how many times has someone heard it?
> (i.e. What time is it?) [st.k 2/99]
>
> [Any examples of either in the paq'batlh? I haven't seen any.]
>
>
>> I imagine that at some point I have said something like one of the
>> following in conversation, completely unaware that I was doing anything odd.
>>
>> ?quS 'arDaq nav vIlannIS? - How many chairs do I need to place paper on?
>> ?HoH 'armo' bortaS wISuq?- How many killings will we get vengeance for?
>> ?nuv 'arvaD Soj wIje'nIS? - How many people do we need to buy food for?
>
> Based on no canon whatsoever, I would place the suffix on the noun:
>
> ?quSDaq 'ar nav vIlannIS?
> ?HoHmo' 'ar bortaS wISuq?
>
> [Don't forget the verb {noD} "retaliate, seek revenge": ?HoHmo' 'ar manoD?]
>
> ?nuvvaD 'ar Soj wIje'nIS?
>
> I don't have time to do more searching, but have we seen any of the other question words used with these suffixes?
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>
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