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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Objects with -moH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brad Wilson)
Mon Jun 2 23:27:26 2014
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From: Brad Wilson <bmacliam@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 23:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
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I feel you're doing a good job thinking this through. My 2 cents would be t=
o not underestimate the students.
They will understand that verbs like {Qong} can only take a subject (either=
by prefix or following noun). And even if Klingon allowed {vIQong} (which =
I find hard to comprehend), I can't imagine any new student even conceiving=
of that.
However, there will be questions regarding verbs which can gloss into both =
transitive and instransitive in English. It needs to made clear that {meQ} =
and others like it refer to that which is on fire, and {meQmoH} is the acti=
on to set something on fire (if that is our ultimate interpretation, canon =
notwithstanding).
My experience has been that once a student learns a basic concept, his imag=
ination takes over and applies his own language rules to the new concept. R=
egarding the prefix trick, I feel that question will come up rather quickly=
because it's a natural extension of the English usage.
gheyIl
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will understand that verbs like {Qong} can only take a subject (either by p=
refix or following noun). And even if Klingon allowed {vIQong} (which I fin=
d hard to comprehend), I can't imagine any new student even conceiving of t=
hat.</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Aria=
l, Helvetica, sans-serif">However, there will be questions regarding verbs =
which can gloss into both transitive and instransitive in English. It needs=
to made clear that {meQ} and others like it refer to that which is on fire=
, and {meQmoH} is the action to set something on fire (if that is our ultim=
ate interpretation, canon notwithstanding).</font></tt></pre><pre style=3D"=
font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">My experie=
nce has been that once a student learns a basic concept, his imagination ta=
kes over and applies his own language rules to the new concept. Regarding t=
he prefix trick, I feel that question will come up rather quickly because i=
t's a natural extension of the English usage.</font></tt></pre><pre style=
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