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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Vows
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Mon Jun 2 22:58:42 2014
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:58:22 -0700
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ghunchu'wI', what is the difference in sense between [ghob] and [Suv] =
that makes you prefer it?
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>>> I agree with ghunchu=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99. I see he has answered, but =
I haven=E2=80=99t read his answer. Suv has principally the image of =
=E2=80=9CI will take up my weapons and fight on our behalf=E2=80=9D =
while ghob conveys more of the struggle and strive meaning. Plus the =
connotation of the other meaning of ghob touches ones mind even though =
it isn=E2=80=99t in the sentence.
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What about this draft?
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DaHjaj qanay/DaHjaj qaSaw
reH qatlhej =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 vI=E2=80=99Ip
reH SoHvaD jISuv =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 vI=E2=80=99Ip
reH juHlIj =E2=80=98oH juHwIj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 =
vI=E2=80=99Ip (so far so good)
maHaghruptaHjaj
maQaHchuqjaj (I think the sentiments are clearer in this form, but I'm =
not sure -jaj has enough of the feeling of a vow, it feels more like a =
toast to me.)
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>>> Oh it feels very correct to me. It can be a toast, but a toast can =
be as serious as a prayer, or invocation. It is not a promise, but how =
being ready to laugh is something one wishes of the universe, not =
something she can promise. Why the =E2=80=93taH on Hagh but not QaH?
jIyIntaHvIS bangwI=E2=80=99 SoHtaH
DaHjaj qorDu' chu' wIchenmoH
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qatlho'
be''etlh
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On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> =
wrote:
I thought about that as I typed it. It was on a phone, so a little =
awkward to edit. I was pretty sure those who needed to know would know =
what was meant.
-----Original Message-----
From: De'vID [mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com]
Sent: May 28, 2014 9:47
To: Robyn Stewart
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Vows
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> =
wrote:
> And if it's going to be plural (speaking in unison?), 'e' wI'Ip, not =
'e' ma'Ip.
You really need to bracket your Klingon so it's clear when you mean =
"not" and when you mean {not}.
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De'vID
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class=3DMsoNormal>ghunchu'wI', what is the difference in sense between =
[ghob] and [Suv] that makes you prefer it?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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D'>>>> I agree with ghunchu=E2=80=99wI=E2=80=99. I see he has =
answered, but I haven=E2=80=99t read his answer. Suv has principally the =
image of =E2=80=9CI will take up my weapons and fight on our =
behalf=E2=80=9D while ghob conveys more of the struggle and strive =
meaning. Plus the connotation of the other meaning of ghob touches ones =
mind even though it isn=E2=80=99t in the =
sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>What about this draft?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>DaHjaj =
qanay/DaHjaj qaSaw</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>reH =
qatlhej =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 =
vI=E2=80=99Ip<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>reH =
SoHvaD jISuv =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 =
vI=E2=80=99Ip<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>reH =
juHlIj =E2=80=98oH juHwIj=E2=80=99e=E2=80=99 =
=E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 vI=E2=80=99Ip (so far so =
good)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>maHaghruptaHj=
aj<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>maQaHchuqjaj =
(I think the sentiments are clearer in this form, but I'm not sure =
-jaj has enough of the feeling of a vow, it feels more like a toast to =
me.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'>>>> Oh it feels very correct to me. It can be a toast, but a =
toast can be as serious as a prayer, or invocation. It is not a promise, =
but how being ready to laugh is something one wishes of the universe, =
not something she can promise. Why the =E2=80=93taH on Hagh but not =
QaH?<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>jIyIntaHvIS =
bangwI=E2=80=99 SoHtaH<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>DaHjaj =
qorDu' chu' wIchenmoH<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>qatlho'<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>be''etlh<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a =
href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I thought about that as I typed it. It was on a phone, =
so a little awkward to edit. I was pretty sure those who needed to know =
would know what was meant.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: =
De'vID [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>]<br>Sent: May 28, 2014 =
9:47<br>To: Robyn Stewart<br>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] =
Vows<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:17 PM, =
Robyn Stewart <<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" =
target=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<br>> And if =
it's going to be plural (speaking in unison?), 'e' wI'Ip, not 'e' =
ma'Ip.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You really need to =
bracket your Klingon so it's clear when you mean "not" and =
when you mean {not}.<br><br>--<br>De'vID<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
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