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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Objects with -moH
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Mon Jun 2 18:25:01 2014
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>, "tlhingan-hol@kli.org"
<tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 22:24:36 +0000
In-Reply-To: <006d01cf7ea3$03aa1180$0afe3480$@flyingstart.ca>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
I'll see if I can get you all the paq'batlh uses tomorrow; can't access my =
transcript at the moment.
Would like to share what could be regarded as a fourth use of =ABmeQ=BB, th=
ough:
I've never seen it written down, but in the opening of the song from =ABqul=
tuq=BB in the Star Trek: Klingon game, I'm fairly certain they sing =AB'o =
meQ qul! 'o meQ chal!=BB
=ABmeQ qul=BB is interesting to me; I'd long wondered if this was permissib=
le.
After all, while we're used to fires "burning" in English, fires can not be=
burnt, mor can they be on fire, so we can't assume that they can =ABmeQ=BB=
. For a fire, "burning" is more or less synonymous with "existing".
Of course, it could well be that what's really meant is "the fire burns (th=
at which touches it)", in the sense that =ABSoj meQ vutwI'=BB, in which cas=
e this wouldn't be another use at all.
________________________________________
From: Robyn Stewart [robyn@flyingstart.ca]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 22:41
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Objects with -moH
To the best of my knowledge, I have cited all the canon sentences with ghor=
and meQ below. There may be something in the paq'batlh, which I have besid=
e me, but lacking a concordance, it's hard to use it find usages.
- Robyn
-----Original Message-----
From: SuStel [mailto:sustel@trimboli.name]
Sent: June 2, 2014 12:57
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Objects with -moH
On 6/2/2014 3:46 PM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> Something that IS on the syllabus are the words meQ and ghor, and I > w=
ant to tell the students how to use them.
>
> TKD would suggest that usage is:
> meQ veQ. =96 The garbage burns.
> veQ meQmoH loDHom. =96 The boy burns the garbage.
>
> But canon says:
> Ha=92DIbaHmey meQ Sop.
> to=92waQ meQ vutwI=92
> meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH.
> pIpyuS DaSop DaneHchugh pIpyuS puS DaghornIS.
> pel=92aQDaj ghorpa=92
>
> Three completely different uses for meQ and two for ghor.
Have we ever seen {ghor} used to mean that the subject is broken?
--
SuStel
http://www.trimboli.name/
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