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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Canon for answering negative questions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Sat May 3 23:27:33 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <001501cf671f$980c1710$c8244530$@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Sat, 3 May 2014 23:27:08 -0400
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
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Interesting question.
First, we have to assume that Klingons would ever ask a negative =
question. It might simply not be done. And if it is done, it might be =
answered with {bIqar} or {bIqarbe=92} instead of {HIja=92} or {ghobe=92}. =
And we can=92t know if one would make a question negative in order to =
cast doubt on the accuracy of the implied statement, or challenge doubt =
of the accuracy of the statement.
Think about the difference between:
=91umbe=92=92a=92 loDHom?
and=20
=91umbe=92 loDHom qar=92a=92?
We know that the second one implies that the person asking the question =
believes that the boy is not qualified. The first question? Hmm. jISIv.
Why would we have the two different ways to express the question if =
there were no shade of difference in our meaning?=20
Likely, there=92s context to clarify things.
Like if I bring my nephew in for a job interview and you say:
=91umbe=92 loDHom, qar=92a=92?
and then I draw my disrupter and walk up to you, nose to nose and with =
an air of challenge, through clenched teeth, ask:
=91umbe=92=92a=92 loDHom?
One might interpret this as having a very different meaning than your =
question. And likely, you wouldn=92t answer with {HIja=92}, {ghobe=92}, =
{bIqar} or {bIqarbe=92} because it would be an inopportune time for =
miscommunication. You=92d want to be very clear about your meaning, =
whether it was {vIqelqa=92ta=92. =91umba=92neS, qaH!} or {wej =91um =
puqvam jay', qoH!}, or anything in between.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
On May 3, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote:
> What canon do we have indicating whether the answer to a negative =
question like :
>=20
>=20
> 'umbe''a' loDHom?
>=20
> would be
>=20
> HIja=92, =91um.
>=20
> or
> ghobe=92, =91um.
>=20
> All I can think of is cheDuQchugh mareghbe=92=92a=92? which is of =
course rhetorical.
>=20
> Sorry about the smart quotes. jIHvaD QaHqoq ghaq vay=92, mail =
signaturewIj tI=92 =91e=92 nIDmo=92. I have to redo my mail settings =
now.
>=20
> - Qov
>=20
>=20
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after-white-space;"><div>Interesting =
question.</div><div><br></div><div>First, we have to assume that =
Klingons would ever ask a negative question. It might simply not be =
done. And if it is done, it might be answered with {bIqar} or {bIqarbe=92}=
instead of {HIja=92} or {ghobe=92}. And we can=92t know if one would =
make a question negative in order to cast doubt on the accuracy of the =
implied statement, or challenge doubt of the accuracy of the =
statement.</div><div><br></div><div>Think about the difference =
between:</div><div><br></div><div>=91umbe=92=92a=92 =
loDHom?</div><div><br></div><div>and </div><div><br></div><div>=91umb=
e=92 loDHom qar=92a=92?</div><div><br></div><div>We know that the second =
one implies that the person asking the question believes that the boy is =
not qualified. The first question? Hmm. =
jISIv.</div><div><br></div><div>Why would we have the two different ways =
to express the question if there were no shade of difference in our =
meaning? </div><div><br></div><div>Likely, there=92s context to =
clarify things.</div><div><br></div><div>Like if I bring my nephew in =
for a job interview and you say:</div><div><br></div><div>=91umbe=92 =
loDHom, qar=92a=92?</div><div><br></div><div>and then I draw my =
disrupter and walk up to you, nose to nose and with an air of challenge, =
through clenched teeth, ask:</div><div><br></div><div>=91umbe=92=92a=92 =
loDHom?</div><div><br></div><div>One might interpret this as having a =
very different meaning than your question. And likely, you wouldn=92t =
answer with {HIja=92}, {ghobe=92}, {bIqar} or {bIqarbe=92} because it =
would be an inopportune time for miscommunication. You=92d want to be =
very clear about your meaning, whether it was {vIqelqa=92ta=92. =
=91umba=92neS, qaH!} or {wej =91um puqvam jay', qoH!}, or anything in =
between.</div><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh</div><div>Door Repair Guy, =
Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br =
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<br><div><div>On May 3, 2014, at 6:32 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a =
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lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">What canon do we have indicating =
whether the answer to a negative question like =
:</font></span></p><div><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p dir=3D"LTR"><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font =
face=3D"Verdana">'umbe''a' loDHom?</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><br>
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<font face=3D"Verdana">would be<br>
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HIja=92, =91um.</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p><p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font =
face=3D"Verdana">or</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"><br>
<font face=3D"Verdana">ghobe=92,</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font =
face=3D"Verdana">=91um.</font></span></p><p dir=3D"LTR"><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Verdana">All I can think of is cheDuQchugh =
mareghbe=92=92a=92?</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Verdana"> which is of course =
rhetorical.<br>
<br>
Sorry about the smart quotes.</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font =
face=3D"Verdana">jIHvaD</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Verdana">QaHqoq ghaq</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Verdana"> vay=92,=
mail signaturewIj tI=92 =91e=92 nIDmo=92.</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Verdana">I =
have to redo my mail settings now.</font></span></p><p dir=3D"LTR"><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Verdana">- Qov</font></span><span =
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><br>
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