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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghay
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brent Kesler)
Fri Apr 18 12:25:24 2014
In-Reply-To: <000c01cf5b1b$5b180860$11481920$@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:25:06 -0400
From: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>wrote=
:
> If I don=E2=80=99t repeat a subject phrase used for two verbs, I much pre=
fer Hegh
> =E2=80=98ej rIQ SuvwI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 law=E2=80=99. Interesting that =
it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98ej not qoj or pagh there.
>
For me the two sentences are interchangeable, they just differ slightly in
emphasis. {Hegh SuvwI'pu' 'ej rIQ} considers the actions in sequence, while
{Hegh 'ej rIQ SuvwI'pu'} considers the actions together. I don't mean that
they imply the events happened together or sequentially--just that the
speaker, for whatever reason, wants to talk about them together or
sequentially.
Consider these examples:
3. qarDaS HIvpu' 'ej charghpu' tlhIngan QI'.
4. qarDaS HIvpu' tlhIngan QI' 'ej charghpu'.
5. qarDaS HIvpu' tlhIngan QI' 'ej qaStaHvIS wej DISmey, charghpu'.
While 3 and 4 could mean the same thing, 5 has a wrinkle that I think
justifies a sentence structure like 4.
On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM, ghunchu'wI' <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
>
>
> It seems to me less like repeating a subject and more like describing a
> second subject with the same words. If it were the same {SuvwI'pu' law'} =
in
> both sentences, I would expect a different conjunction.
This also makes a lot of sense.
bI'reng
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Robyn Stewart <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca" target=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>=
></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal">
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">If I don=E2=80=99t repeat a subject phrase used for two verbs, I mu=
ch prefer Hegh =E2=80=98ej rIQ SuvwI=E2=80=99pu=E2=80=99 law=E2=80=99. Inte=
resting that it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=98ej not qoj or pagh there.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>For me the two sentences are i=
nterchangeable, they just differ slightly in emphasis. {Hegh SuvwI'pu&#=
39; 'ej rIQ} considers the actions in sequence, while {Hegh 'ej rIQ=
SuvwI'pu'} considers the actions together. I don't mean that t=
hey imply the events happened together or sequentially--just that the speak=
er, for whatever reason, wants to talk about them together or sequentially.=
</div>
<div><br></div><div>Consider these examples:</div><div>3. qarDaS HIvpu'=
'ej charghpu' tlhIngan QI'.</div><div>4. qarDaS HIvpu' tlh=
Ingan QI' 'ej charghpu'.</div><div>5. qarDaS HIvpu' tlhInga=
n QI' 'ej qaStaHvIS wej DISmey, charghpu'.</div>
<div><br></div><div>While 3 and 4 could mean the same thing, 5 has a wrinkl=
e that I think justifies a sentence structure like 4.</div><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><div>On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM, ghunchu'wI'=C2=
=A0<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net" target=3D"_b=
lank">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>></span>=C2=A0wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-le=
ft-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D""><br></div>It seems to me less like repeating a subject and =
more like describing a second subject with the same words. If it were the s=
ame {SuvwI'pu' law'} in both sentences, I would expect a differ=
ent conjunction.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>This also makes a lot of sense.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>bI'reng=C2=A0</div></div></div></div></div>
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