[98478] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghay
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Fri Apr 18 12:17:27 2014
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 12:17:03 -0400
From: SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
In-Reply-To: <000c01cf5b1b$5b180860$11481920$@flyingstart.ca>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
> jorwI'mey ghaymo' qarDaSnganpu', Hegh SuvwI'pu'lI' law'
> 'ej rIQ SuvwI'pu'lI' law'
> Suffer major losses after Cardassian bombing campaign. MKE
On 4/18/2014 11:32 AM, Robyn Stewart wrote:
> If I don=92t repeat a subject phrase used for two verbs, I much prefer
> Hegh =91ej rIQ SuvwI=92pu=92 law=92.
The Monopoly version follows the rules of TKD 6.2.1:
In its fullest form, a Klingon sentence repeats the noun:
{yaS legh pu' 'ej yaS qIp puq}
[...]
The child sees the officer and the child hits the officer.
or
The child sees the officer and hits the officer.
or
The child sees and hits the officer.
The Monopoly card simply uses the fullest form.
One shortens a sentence because one wants to, not because one has to, or =
even that a sentence will sound stilted if one doesn't.
> Interesting that it=92s =91ej not qoj or pagh there.
I wouldn't expect either deaths or injuries but not both when taking =
heavy casualties.
> Here there=92s another possible subject for Hegh, the qarDaSnganpu=92, so
> stating the subject right away is useful.
This also follows an example in TKD:
It is possible, however, to use pronouns rather than nouns in the
second of the joined sentences.
yaS legh puq 'ej ghaH qIp ghaH
[...]
If the context is clear, even the pronoun may be left out.
In the quotation we're looking at, the sentences about {Hegh} and {rIQ} =
are joined, not the subordinate clause.
jorwI'mey ghaymo' qarDaSnganpu', Hegh SuvwI'lI' law' 'ej rIQ
yaS legh puq 'ej qIp
(Not {yaS legh 'ej qIp puq}.)
{rIQ} is closer to {Hegh}, and you've established a new subject. I don't =
find this confusing. Elided subjects and objects, or pronouns, continue =
to act in the same syntactic role as their antecedents, unless some =
effort is made to establish a new role.
-- =
SuStel
http://www.trimboli.name/
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