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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Translating the past
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Sat Apr 12 22:43:56 2014
In-Reply-To: <5349BCC5.4080604@trimboli.name>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 22:43:33 -0400
From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:23 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> Klingon -pu' and -ta' have examples showing both PERFECTIVE and PERFECT
> aspects. They can mean either of these things. TKD calls it "perfective,"
> but the definition is not strictly correct. What most people believe,
> incorrectly as I see it, is that these suffixes indicate what is correctly
> called perfect aspect.
>
Could one not say {wa'leS ghaH HoHlu'pu'}, indicating that by tomorrow he
will have gotten himself killed? This sentence uses perfective but not in
any past sense, Klingon cultural attitudes toward counting one's chickens
notwithstanding. If grammar allows such a construction, it would divorce
-pu' and -ta' from any connection with the past, except insofar as the past
is more somewhat more certain than the future.
~'eD
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
at, Apr 12, 2014 at 6:23 PM, SuStel <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto=
:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>></span=
> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Klingon -pu' and -ta' have examples showing both PERFECTIVE and PER=
FECT aspects. They can mean either of these things. TKD calls it "perf=
ective," but the definition is not strictly correct. What most people =
believe, incorrectly as I see it, is that these suffixes indicate what is c=
orrectly called perfect aspect.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Could one not say {wa'leS ghaH HoHlu&#=
39;pu'}, indicating that by tomorrow=C2=A0he will have gotten himself k=
illed? This sentence uses perfective but not in any past sense, Klingon cul=
tural attitudes toward counting one's chickens notwithstanding. If gram=
mar allows such a construction, it would divorce -pu' and -ta' from=
any connection with the past, except insofar as the past is more somewhat =
more certain than the future.</div>
</div><br clear=3D"all"><div>~'eD</div><div><br></div>-- <br>My modelin=
g blog:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"ht=
tp://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://belleropho=
n-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>My other modeling blog:=C2=A0 <a href=3D"htt=
p://bellerophon.blog.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com</a=
><br>
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