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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Last X and testament?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh)
Sat Mar 8 15:01:49 2014
From: lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 15:01:17 -0500
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All of this assumes that Klingons would have a will. Wouldn=92t it be =
more likely that when someone dies, everybody just fights over their =
stuff?
And who cares about commands left by a corpse? The whole idea is =
repugnant. Next, you=92ll be looking for the word for =93funeral=94. =
{mol} is something one does to treasure, not to corpses.
lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> With no noun form for ra' command (v) apparent, a title such as =
{ra'mey Qav} "final orders" would be a bit problematical. But a Will is =
not just a list of stuff to be given away; it's a set of final commands. =
"Howl for me in the traditional manner," "Feast and sing songs of my =
deeds in the Great Hall at High Sun" and all that.
> If there were a noun form for command it'd be easy - {ra'mey Qav =
tetlh}. Perhaps {tetlh Qav} or {Hegh tetlh}?
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> On Saturday, 8 March 2014, 13:03, Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com> =
wrote:
> Anyone ever had cause to render "will" as in "last will and testament" =
into Klingon? I'm about to get into a section of {mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI'} =
that uses the term often, and I'm seriously struggling with anything =
that's not a long circumlocution like {Heghpu'wI' 'aH noblu'meH nab}. =
We've got quite a bit of vocabulary about the practices surrounding =
death - {SonchIy}, {Heghtay}, {bIreqtal}, {lom}, {nol}, {mol} - but =
"will" isn't among them, and nor are any alternatives like "bequeath", =
"bequest", "inherit", "legacy". (Kind of surprising for a culture where =
House status is such a prominent part of one's identity. We do have =
{quH} "heritage", but that's about as close as it gets. For "bequest", =
perhaps {quH nob}?)
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> All suggestions will be much appreciated.
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> QeS
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after-white-space;"><div>All of this assumes that Klingons would have a =
will. Wouldn=92t it be more likely that when someone dies, everybody =
just fights over their stuff?</div><div><br></div><div>And who cares =
about commands left by a corpse? The whole idea is repugnant. Next, =
you=92ll be looking for the word for =93funeral=94. {mol} is something =
one does to treasure, not to corpses.</div><br><div>
<div><div>lojmIt tI=92wI=92 nuv =91utlh</div><div>Door Repair Guy, =
Retired Honorably</div></div><div><br></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Mar 8, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Fiat Knox <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
style=3D"background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: garamond, =
'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18pt;"><div><span>With no noun form =
for<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">ra'</span><span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-style: italic;">command</span><span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>(v)</span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>apparent, a title such as =
{<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">ra'mey Qav</span><span>} "final =
orders" would be a bit problematical. But a Will is not just a list of =
stuff to be given away; it's a set of final commands. "Howl for me in =
the traditional manner," "Feast and sing songs of my deeds in the Great =
Hall at High Sun" and all that.</span></span></div><div =
style=3D"font-size: 24px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, =
serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: =
normal;"><span><span>If there were a noun form for<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style=3D"font-style: =
italic;">command</span><span><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>it'd be easy -<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>{<span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">ra'mey Qav tetlh</span><span>}</span>. =
Perhaps {<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">tetlh Qav</span><span>} or =
{<span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Hegh =
tetlh</span><span>}?</span></span></span></span></div><br><div =
class=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"><br><br><div =
style=3D"font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: =
18pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', =
Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">On Saturday, 8 March 2014, =
13:03, Rohan Fenwick <<a =
href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com">qeslagh@hotmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<br></font></div><blockquote style=3D"border-left-width: 2px; =
border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); =
margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1463653363"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Anyone ever had cause to render "will" as in "last will and =
testament" into Klingon? I'm about to get into a section of {mIl'oD =
veDDIr SuvwI'} that uses the term often, and I'm seriously struggling =
with anything that's not a long circumlocution like {Heghpu'wI' 'aH =
noblu'meH nab}. We've got quite a bit of vocabulary about the practices =
surrounding death - {SonchIy}, {Heghtay}, {bIreqtal}, {lom}, {nol}, =
{mol} - but "will" isn't among them, and nor are any alternatives like =
"bequeath", "bequest", "inherit", "legacy". (Kind of surprising for a =
culture where House status is such a prominent part of one's identity. =
We do have {quH} "heritage", but that's about as close as it gets. For =
"bequest", perhaps {quH nob}?)<br><br>All suggestions will be much =
appreciated.<br><br>QeS<br></div></div><br>_______________________________=
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