[97920] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] geometry terminology in Klingon
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Jan 27 14:19:47 2014
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:19:05 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmPJQi-jSGyU3UPnQnDMvxoi8f=GGhcwT=q0mB6XA+i-SA@mail.gmail.com>
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Voragh:
> >> Note the use of {reD}: {loS/vagh reD mey'} a "four/five wall polygon.
> >> We also had {Dop} "side", so I'm not sure how this is different.
Quvar:
>> Well, I don't remember every use of Dop/"side", but it seems to be a
>> more abstract use, as in "put it on the side", or also in the sense of
>> "left side" and "right side".
>>
>> The surfaces / sides of a box are something else. They close a two- or
>> three-dimensional area.
De'vID:
> If {Dop} is used in a geometric context, I'd understand it as "face"
> (i.e., the front or back side of a polygon).
>
> Note that its usage in Klingon Monopoly, {'echletHom Dopvam yIcha'} "card
> must be turned this side up", is consistent with this. (A card is, after
> all, just a rectangle.)[]
Like a 2-dimensional square or rectangle, a playing card has four sides (left, right, top, bottom) but being 3 dimensional it also has two surfaces/faces (called the front/back side or the face/back of the card).
What prompted my comment was: How does one refer to the inner and outer surface/face of a sphere/pyramid, cone, etc.? We have Okrand's comments from HQ 9.3, generally referring to box-shaped things:
HQ 8.3: The word for top is {yor}. This refers to the top side or top face of an object, such as the top of a box or the top of a table or even the top of one's head. It is not the word used for lid or cover or cap (as in lid of a jar) or removable (and reusable) top of a box. The word for this kind of top or lid or cover is {yuvtlhe'}. Similarly, {yor} is not the word for the inside of the top of something. If one were sitting under a table, the (presumably) flat surface above one is termed the {'aqroS}. [...] The word for bottom, the counterpart of {yor}, is {pIrmuS}. This word refers to the underside of something, not the interior bottom (such as the bottom of a well or the bottom of a bowl where a few drops of milk remain after eating cereal). The word for the interior bottom of something is {bIS'ub}. If an item is located in the bottom of a box, it is located in the box's {bIS'ub}. If something is found underneath a box, it is found beneath the box's {pIrmuS}.
He does refer to wells (essentially a long, narrow cylinders) or bowls (usually half-spheres), though I'm not sure how one would apply this to a sphere {moQ}.
We also have the nouns {qoD} "inside, interior", {Hur} "outside" and {botlh} "center, middle" available.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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