[97683] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tu'lum
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Tue Dec 3 12:13:22 2013
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 17:13:05 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmM8Nza-pCGoVY4WiPm7ypMd86B39=s8NtNBgH4dJN8Gxw@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
De'vID:
> >> (tlhIngan Hol lo'lu'taHvIS chay' "coincidence" 'oSlu'?)[]
Voragh:
>> quq happen simultaneously (v). E.g.:
>>
>> *{quq X Y je} "X and Y coincide/happen simultaneously",
De'vID:
> But the kind of coincidence I'm talking about isn't a co-incidence in
> time:
> "It'd be quite the coincidence if Marc Okrand and I had
> visited the same random restaurant."
> We clearly didn't visit it at the same time.
Hmm... this is a tough one. The only thing that comes to mind is the adverbial {bong} "accidentally, by accident":
bong yaS vIHoHpu'
I accidentally killed the officer. TKD
tera' vatlh DIS poH cha'maH loS bong QongmeH qItI'nga' Duj tI'ang
ghompu' DIvI' 'ejDo' 'entepray'
A sleeper ship of this [K'Tinga] class, the T'Ong, was encountered
in the 24th century by the USS Enterprise. S15
The S15 example - {bong ghompu'} "met by accident" - may suggest something like *{bong Qe'vam wISuchpu' jIH Okrand je}. Another option might be {wanI'/ghu' motlhbe'/Huj/jum/taq 'oH} "it's an unusual/strange/odd/weird event/situation". But the idea of "by chance" doesn't eally come through in either.
Perhaps Klingons don't really believe in chance. They do however believe in {San} (fate) and {SuD} (gamble, take a chance, take a risk).
[Are there any more examples of {bong} or chance or coincidence in the paq'batlh?]
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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