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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Happy Thanksgiving"?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Wed Nov 27 14:29:46 2013
From: Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se>
To: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>,
"tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 19:29:20 +0000
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Canon seems to use burn to mean both "be burning" and "cause to be burning"=
.
meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH.
"Only a fool fights in a burning house." (TKW)
to'waQ meQ vutwI'.
"The cook burns the tendon." (KGT)
However, the latter seems to be the rare exception. Perhaps even an error?
More examples from paq'batlh:
=3D=3D paq'yav, Canto 4, Stanza 9: =3D=3D
Dogh ghaH 'e' Sov moratlh
'etlh DoQDI'
meQchu'pu' che'rupbogh**
Morath knows he has been a fool,
His promised kingdom will be ash
By the time he claims the sword.
[**I'll have to check if I've transcribed this correctly. If I have, the la=
st sentence would appear to be one of the rare examples of a headless relat=
ive clause.]
=3D=3D paq'yav, Canto 12, Stanzas 2 & 4 =3D=3D
jIbDaj lumeQmoH
jIbDajlumeQmoH
qul bIQtIq qulHommey
[...]
jIbDaj lumeQmoH
'ej bejtaHvIS
baS moj jIb
I don't have the English text handy, but basically, the sparks from the riv=
er of fire burn Kahless hair, and he watches it turn to metal.
=3D=3D paq'raD, Canto 7, Stanza 5 =3D=3D
qeylIS Qaw' 'e' nIDmeH
yerDaj weH molor
'ej juH qachDaj meQmoH
Again, don't have the English text here, but:
In order to destroy Kahless, Molor had raided his lands and burnt his home.
=3D=3D paq'raD, Canto 13, Stanza 10 =3D=3D
lujang meQboghnom 'oH
yeqchuqchu'taHghach
Daw' je joqwI'
They reply it is the meQboghnom*
The banner of unity
and revolution
I'm not sure who wrote the footnotes (I believe it was Floris Sch=F6nfeld),=
but it reads as follows:
* Kahless's meQboghnom, a name comprised from the roots "burn" (meQ), "to b=
e born" (bogh) and "fast" (nom) expresses his revolutionary intentions.
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From: Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 19:45
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Happy Thanksgiving"?
Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' [lu]tIv tera'nganpu'
Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals. CK
CK is canon, so {meQ} can mean "be burnt" in addition to the TDK definition=
"burn," which itself doesn't make usage clear: is /they burn meat/ {?Ha'DI=
baH meQ} or {?Ha'DIbaH meQmoH}? The latter is more consistent with this exa=
mple from CK.
How would one say in Klingon "I shall try some of your burned replicated bi=
rd meat." Is there any word for "replicate?" Perhaps {vaq}?
~'eD
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10pt;">Canon seems to use burn to mean both "be burning" and &quo=
t;cause to be burning".<br>
<br>
meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH.<br>
"Only a fool fights in a burning house." (TKW)<br>
<br>
to'waQ meQ vutwI'.<br>
"The cook burns the tendon." (KGT)<br>
<br>
<br>
However, the latter seems to be the rare exception. Perhaps even an error?<=
br>
<br>
More examples from paq'batlh:<br>
<br>
=3D=3D paq'yav, Canto 4, Stanza 9: =3D=3D<br>
Dogh ghaH 'e' Sov moratlh<br>
'etlh DoQDI'<br>
meQchu'pu' che'rupbogh**<br>
<br>
Morath knows he has been a fool,<br>
His promised kingdom will be ash<br>
By the time he claims the sword.<br>
<br>
[**I'll have to check if I've transcribed this correctly. If I have, the la=
st sentence would appear to be one of the rare examples of a headless relat=
ive clause.]<br>
<br>
=3D=3D paq'yav, Canto 12, Stanzas 2 & 4 =3D=3D<br>
<br>
jIbDaj lumeQmoH<br>
jIbDajlumeQmoH<br>
qul bIQtIq qulHommey<br>
<br>
[...]<br>
<br>
jIbDaj lumeQmoH<br>
'ej bejtaHvIS<br>
baS moj jIb<br>
<br>
I don't have the English text handy, but basically, the sparks from the riv=
er of fire burn Kahless hair, and he watches it turn to metal.<br>
<br>
=3D=3D paq'raD, Canto 7, Stanza 5 =3D=3D<br>
<br>
qeylIS Qaw' 'e' nIDmeH<br>
yerDaj weH molor<br>
'ej juH qachDaj meQmoH<br>
<br>
Again, don't have the English text here, but:<br>
In order to destroy Kahless, Molor had raided his lands and burnt his home.=
<br>
<br>
=3D=3D paq'raD, Canto 13, Stanza 10 =3D=3D<br>
<br>
lujang meQboghnom 'oH<br>
yeqchuqchu'taHghach<br>
Daw' je joqwI'<br>
<br>
They reply it is the meQboghnom*<br>
The banner of unity<br>
and revolution<br>
<br>
I'm not sure who wrote the footnotes (I believe it was Floris Sch=F6nfeld),=
but it reads as follows:<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2"><font size=3D"1"><font size=3D"2">* </font><span lang=3D"e=
n-US"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">Kahless's meQboghnom, a name comprise=
d from the roots "burn" (meQ), "to be born" (bogh) and =
"fast" (nom) expresses his revolutionary intentions.</span></span=
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Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' [lu]tIv tera'nganpu'<br>
Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals. CK<br>
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<div>CK is canon, so {meQ} can mean "be burnt" in addition to the=
TDK definition "burn," which itself doesn't make usage clear: is=
/they burn meat/ {?Ha'DIbaH meQ} or {?Ha'DIbaH meQmoH}? The latter is more=
consistent with this example from CK.</div>
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<div>How would one say in Klingon "I shall try some of your burned rep=
licated bird meat." Is there any word for "replicate?" Perha=
ps {vaq}?</div>
<div>~'eD</div>
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