[97605] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] the birth of a new word: qorgh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Thu Nov 14 10:58:44 2013
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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 10:58:23 -0500
From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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You're right of course, but do any names rendered in canon
violate Klingon's phonological rules?
For instance, I've never seen "Spock" in Klingon. Would it be {?Spoq} or
would a vowel be needed: {?'eSpoq}, {?Supoq} or some such? I notice
{DoyIchlan} instead of {*Doychlan} or {*DoychlanD}, but also {Denmargh}
rather than {*Denmarq}. {Denmargh} strongly supports that {qIrq} is a
one-time violation of Klingon phonology.
Anyway, point taken, and if /rq/ isn't allowed, the number of possible
syllables is 5397. How many monosyllabic words are there?
I notice in the exchange that MO consults his list of unused monosyllables
mainly because he has only 30 seconds. Comparing new vocabulary to TDK,
there seems to be a greater frequency of words that can't be reduced to
monosyllables.
~eD
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:37 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Bellerophon, modeler
> <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In practice, syllables with /r/ in
> > position III only have /gh/, /q/, or <null> in position IV (to cite the
> > latest example, {qorgh}).
>
> Do they ever end in *{-rq}? I'm aware of only one example, {qIrq}, 'ej
> nov pong 'oHba'.
>
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> De'vID
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">You're right of course, but do any names rendered in c=
anon violate=C2=A0Klingon's=C2=A0phonological rules?<div>For instance, =
I've never seen "Spock" in Klingon. Would it be {?Spoq} or wo=
uld a vowel be needed: {?'eSpoq}, {?Supoq} or some such? I notice {DoyI=
chlan} instead of {*Doychlan} or {*DoychlanD}, but also {Denmargh} rather t=
han {*Denmarq}. {Denmargh} strongly supports that {qIrq} is a one-time viol=
ation of Klingon phonology.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, point taken, and if /rq/ isn't allowed, the=
number of possible syllables is=C2=A05397. How many monosyllabic words are=
there?</div><div><br></div><div>I notice in the exchange that MO consults =
his list of unused monosyllables mainly because he has only 30 seconds. Com=
paring new vocabulary to TDK, there seems to be a greater frequency of word=
s that can't be reduced to monosyllables.</div>
<div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">~eD<br=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:37 AM, De'vID=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Bellerophon, modeler<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com">bellerophon.modeler@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> In practice, syllables with /r/ in<br>
> position III only have /gh/, /q/, or <null> in position IV (to c=
ite the<br>
> latest example, {qorgh}).<br>
<br>
Do they ever end in *{-rq}? I'm aware of only one example, {qIrq}, '=
;ej<br>
nov pong 'oHba'.<br>
<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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