[97157] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Sat Sep 7 11:40:10 2013
In-Reply-To: <522B400A.2050202@trimboli.name>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 11:39:30 -0400
From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
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Hochlogh yep tlhIngan. SuvwI' tIgh 'oH.
~'eD
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 9/7/2013 9:17 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
>
>> I don't want a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as
>>> carefully considered grammar.
>>>
>>
>> I would agree with this. However, my own thinking is that this is
>> currently the closest thing we have to canon, and will therefore rely on
>> it until it's been contradicted.
>>
>
> We've done just fine for decades without relying on offhand remarks.
>
> TKD does not support saying it that way.
>>>
>>
>> How so?
>>
>
> TKD translates {Qoch} as "disagree," not as "disagree with." Some verbs
> have since been redefined to include the English preposition (e.g., {qIm}),
> and it's quite possible that {Qoch} will be one of these, but we mustn't be
> hasty in drawing that conclusion based on a passing, otherwise
> undocumented, comment.
>
> "Be careful" is the lesson to be learned here.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hochlogh yep tlhIngan. SuvwI' tIgh 'oH.<div>~'=
eD</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sa=
t, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:02 AM, David Trimboli <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D=
"mailto:david@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>><=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 9/7/2013 9:17 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:=
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I don't want a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as<br>
carefully considered grammar.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I would agree with this. However, my own thinking is that this is<br>
currently the closest thing we have to canon, and will therefore rely on<br=
>
it until it's been contradicted.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
We've done just fine for decades without relying on offhand remarks.<br=
>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
TKD does not support saying it that way.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
How so?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
TKD translates {Qoch} as "disagree," not as "disagree with.&=
quot; Some verbs have since been redefined to include the English prepositi=
on (e.g., {qIm}), and it's quite possible that {Qoch} will be one of th=
ese, but we mustn't be hasty in drawing that conclusion based on a pass=
ing, otherwise undocumented, comment.<br>
<br>
"Be careful" is the lesson to be learned here.<span><font color=
=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
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