[97155] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Sat Sep 7 10:43:45 2013
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Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2013 10:43:05 -0400
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muj'a' Hoch mu'thlegh, lugh 'e' tobpa' vay'? 'ach lugh'a', muj 'e' tobpa'?
chaq maQoch.
~'eD
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
> > I don't want a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as
> carefully considered grammar.
>
> I would agree with this. However, my own thinking is that this is
> currently the closest thing we have to canon, and will therefore rely on =
it
> until it's been contradicted.
>
> > lugh 'e' maqbe'.
>
> I would say that he did; I asked him how one would say it, then he watche=
d
> me write it, and then he said "Yeah, exactly; we agree that we disagree."=
.
> However, it's certainly true that the forum was hardly ideal.
>
> > TKD does not support saying it that way.
>
> How so?
>
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> *From:* David Trimboli [david@trimboli.name]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 07, 2013 01:59
> *To:* Klingon Language Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
>
> I don't want a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as carefully
> considered grammar. Do you think he even considered whether Qoch taking a=
n
> object conflicts with its TKD translation?
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> From: Bellerophon, modeler <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
> Sent: =E2=80=8E9/=E2=80=8E6/=E2=80=8E2013 6:50 PM
> To: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
>
> lo'pu'be' 'ach lajpu'.
>
> De'vID said 'Not strictly canon: but at the 2011 qepHom in Saarbr=C3=BCc=
ken,
> MO accepted
> loghaD's {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} to mean "we agree to disagree".'
>
> Doesn't that make it canon?
>
> ~'eD
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>wrote=
:
>
>> On 9/6/2013 9:38 AM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller wrote:
>>
>>> As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is
>>> {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree.)
>>>
>>
>> nuqDaq mu'tlheghvam lo'pu' Okrand?
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">muj'a' Hoch mu'thlegh, lugh 'e' tobpa&=
#39; vay'? 'ach lugh'a', muj 'e' tobpa'? chaq m=
aQoch.<div>~'eD</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:felixm@kth.se" target=3D"_blank">felixm@kth.se</a>></span>=
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr;font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">> I don&#=
39;t want a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as carefully consid=
ered grammar.<br>
<br>
I would agree with this. However, my own thinking is that this is currently=
the closest thing we have to canon, and will therefore rely on it until it=
's been contradicted.<br>
<br>
> <font><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">lugh 'e' maqbe'.<br>
<br>
I would say that he did; I asked him how one would say it, then he watched =
me write it, and then he said "Yeah, exactly; we agree that we disagre=
e.". However, it's certainly true that the forum was hardly ideal.=
<br>
<br>
> </span></font><font><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">TKD does not suppor=
t saying it that way.<br>
<br>
How so?<br>
<br>
</span></font>
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<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Tahoma"><b>Fro=
m:</b> David Trimboli [<a href=3D"mailto:david@trimboli.name" target=3D"_bl=
ank">david@trimboli.name</a>]<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments<br>
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<div style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I don't wa=
nt a napkin that Okrand nods at to be thought of as carefully considered gr=
ammar. Do you think he even considered whether Qoch taking an object confli=
cts with its TKD translation?</div>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<hr>
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-weight:bo=
ld">From:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Bellerophon, m=
odeler</a></span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-weight:bo=
ld">Sent:
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=8E9/=E2=80=8E6/=E2=80=8E2013 6:50 PM</span><br>
<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-weight:bo=
ld">To:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a hre=
f=3D"mailto:david@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">David Trimboli</a></span=
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ld">Subject:
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Re: [T=
lhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments</span><br>
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<div>lo'pu'be' 'ach lajpu'.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>De'vID said 'Not strictly canon: but at the 2011 qepHom in Saa=
rbr=C3=BCcken, MO accepted</div>
<div>loghaD's {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} to mean "we agree=
to disagree".'</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Doesn't that make it canon?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>~'eD</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM, David Trimboli <=
span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto:david@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">david@trimboli=
.name</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">
On 9/6/2013 9:38 AM, Andr=C3=A9 M=C3=BCller wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:#ccc 1px solid">
As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is<br>
{maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree.)<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
nuqDaq mu'tlheghvam lo'pu' Okrand?<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font =
color=3D"#888888"><span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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