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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story - Out of order installments
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Fri Sep 6 09:38:53 2013
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Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:38:32 +0200
From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?= <esperantist@gmail.com>
To: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
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As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical example really is
{maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree.)
That means that {Qoch(be')} might at least be a labile verb, which can have
an object, but doesn't have to (as common in Klingon). The object of
{Qochbe'} here is {'e'}, so it seems logical that one can indeed agree or
disagree with a fact or a statement or an idea. I don't see a reason why it
shouldn't.
2013/9/6 David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
> On 9/6/2013 2:33 AM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:
>
>> Might {jIQoch(be')} be uncanonical usage?
>>
>
> lo'pu''a' Okrand?
>
> tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom chutmey pabba' 'ach lo'pu' Okrand 'e' vISovbe'.
>
>
> It takes two (or more) to (dis)agree. I can't imagine MO would have
>> had a problem with {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} as it translates neatly as
>> "We agree that we disagree."
>>
>
> I'm not convinced {Qoch} can even take an object. *{ngoDvetlh vIQoch} "I
> disagree with that fact"? Meh.
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>As far as my notes are concerned, the only canonical =
example really is {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'.} (We agree to disagree=
.)<br><br></div>That means that {Qoch(be')} might at least be a labile =
verb, which can have an object, but doesn't have to (as common in Kling=
on). The object of {Qochbe'} here is {'e'}, so it seems logical=
that one can indeed agree or disagree with a fact or a statement or an ide=
a. I don't see a reason why it shouldn't.<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2013/9/=
6 David Trimboli <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:david@trimboli.nam=
e" target=3D"_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>></span><br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 9/6/2013 2:33 AM, Bellerophon, modeler wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Might {jIQoch(be')} be uncanonical usage?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
lo'pu''a' Okrand?<br>
<br>
tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom chutmey pabba' 'ach lo'pu' Okrand =
'e' vISovbe'.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It takes two (or more) to (dis)agree. =C2=A0I can't imagine MO would ha=
ve<br>
had a problem with {maQoch 'e' wIQochbe'} as it translates neat=
ly as<br>
"We agree that we disagree."<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
I'm not convinced {Qoch} can even take an object. *{ngoDvetlh vIQoch} &=
quot;I disagree with that fact"? Meh.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font colo=
r=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
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