[96917] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Sunlight and Starlight
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bellerophon, modeler)
Sun Aug 18 10:50:26 2013
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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:49:09 -0400
From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com>
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I'm no canon authority, but I've noticed other compound words that strongly
imply additional vocabulary.
The logic is compelling. Even if it's merely an idiom like "swim meet" or
"track meet" as opposed to the usual noun "meeting" as in "board meeting," {
*maSwov*} implies a noun construct **wov*, making *julwov* and *Hovwov* almost
unavoidable since they're also astronomical light sources. It seems
unlikely to be an idiom, so the noun construct would work with any light
source and there would almost* *certainly be a noun *wov* for light of
unspecified origin. (BTW, why no noun for light if there's a noun *{'otlh}* for
photon?)
Klingons may not make a fetish of logic, but they don't abandon
it completely like humans.
yISIch 'ej yItlhap! narghmeH bIj ngeD law', HevmeH chaw' ngeD puS.
~'eD
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/15/2013 2:49 AM, Fiat Knox wrote:
>
> The latest words on my wishlist are words for /sunlight/ and /starlight/,
> as well as a noun for /light/ (if such a word has not already entered
> canon).
>
> We have {maSwov} for moonlight, but while I may surmise that /sunlight/
> and /starlight/ might use jul and Hov, respectively, possibly combined
> with some noun construct like *wov, I'd not like to go any further down
> that road.
>
> I note a noun, wovmoHwI', but that seems to be more along the lines of a
> thing doing the brightening - a bulb, lamp, lantern or flashlight - than
> the light itself.
>
> My sense tells me that {julwov} and {Hovwov} are the constructs you're
> seeking. Not canon, of course, but probably understood.
>
> ~quljIb
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif" style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm no canon authority, but I've notic=
ed other compound words that strongly imply additional vocabulary.</font><d=
iv style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br></font><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-=
serif">The logic is compelling. Even if it's=A0</font>merely an idiom l=
ike "swim meet" or "track meet" as opposed to the usual=
noun "meeting" as in "board meeting," {<b>maSwov</b>} =
implies=A0a noun construct=A0<b>*wov</b>, making=A0<b>julwov</b>=A0and=A0<b=
>Hovwov</b>=A0almost unavoidable since they're also astronomical light =
sources. It seems unlikely to be an idiom, so the noun construct would work=
with any light source and there would almost<b>=A0</b>certainly be=A0a nou=
n=A0<b>wov</b>=A0for light of unspecified origin.=A0(BTW, why no noun for l=
ight if there's a noun=A0<b>{'otlh}</b>=A0for photon?)</div>
<div><br>Klingons may not make a fetish of logic, but they don't abando=
n it=A0completely like humans.</div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><=
br></font><div>yISIch 'ej yItlhap! narghmeH=A0bIj=A0ngeD law', Hevm=
eH chaw' ngeD puS.</div>
<div><br>~'eD</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Gaerfindel <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">ga=
erfindel@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 8/15/2013 2:49 AM, Fiat Knox wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:garamond,new york,times,seri=
f">
<div>The latest words on my wishlist are words for <span style=3D"f=
ont-style:italic">/sunlight/</span> and <span style=3D"font-style:italic">/=
starlight/</span><span>, as</span>
well as a noun for /<span style=3D"font-style:italic">light/</spa=
n><span>
(if such a word has not already entered canon).<br>
</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:tra=
nsparent;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:tra=
nsparent;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif">We have {<span style=3D=
"font-weight:bold">maSwov</span>}
for <span style=3D"font-style:italic">moonlight</span><span>,
but while I may surmise that /<span style=3D"font-style:italic"=
>sunlight</span>/ and /<span style=3D"font-style:italic">starlight</span>/ =
might use <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">jul</span><span> and <span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold">Hov</span><span>,
respectively, possibly combined with some noun construct
like <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">*wov</span><span>,
I'd not like to go any further down that road.</span>=
</span></span></span></div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:tra=
nsparent;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:16px;background-color:tra=
nsparent;font-family:garamond,new york,times,serif">I note a noun, <span st=
yle=3D"font-weight:bold">wovmoHwI'</span><span>, but that seems to be m=
ore
along the lines of a thing doing the brightening - a bulb,
lamp, lantern or flashlight - </span>than the light itself.</di=
v>
</div>
</blockquote>
My sense tells me that {julwov} and {Hovwov} are the constructs
you're seeking.=A0 Not canon, of course, but probably understood.<b=
r>
<br>
~quljIb<br>
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