[96682] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "up to" or "as many as"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (David Trimboli)
Fri Jul 12 11:19:40 2013
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:19:14 -0400
From: David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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On 7/12/2013 10:21 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
>>> I'm skeptical towards placing a counting word before the verb
>>> rather than the noun; in my mind, that would make {jav} the
>>> object (or perhaps the beneficiary} of {DuHbogh}.
>>
>> Which turns out to be nonsensical: "idea which is impossible six."
>
> Yes, but there are plenty of cases where the same principle wouldn't
> be nonsensical. {chorgh HoHbogh tlhIngan}, {Soch Sopbogh targhmey},
> {jav naDbogh joHpu'}...
Sure, but this is not one of those cases.
> Primarily, though, my issue is with placing the number ahead of the
> verb. I suppose it's not impossible, though; paq'batlh (paq'raD,
> Canto 1, Stanza 9) does mention {Heghpu'bogh nuvpu' qa'pu'} in
> reference to the spirits of the dead, suggesting one can use a -bogh
> phrase as one of the "nouns" in a noun+noun compound.
The verb makes a clause dependent on the noun; it does not act
independently in the sentence.
> I don't understand why you don't want the {jav} in the subject,
> though. Is it because you feel that makes them be impossible only
> when considered together?
Stylistic preference. It's the difference between "six impossible
things" and "an impossible six things."
jav [DuHbe'bogh Doch]
DuHbe'bogh [jav Doch]
Doing it the latter way also risks confusing it with {[DuHbe'bogh jav]
Doch} "a thing of impossible sixes." It's unlikely that the former would
be mistaken for the nonsensical "a thing of an impossibled six," since
one does not expect {DuH} to take an object.
--
David Trimboli
http://www.trimboli.name/
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