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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] -Qo', -neS, -taHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Jun 26 10:26:22 2013
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:25:57 -0700
To: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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On 2013-06-26, at 4:46, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> {Dargh tlhutlhtaHQo'vIS}
I can't remember ever saying anything like that, but it follows the rules an=
d tlhutlhtaHvISQo' sounds nonsensical. You get so used to -taHvIS as a unit b=
ut they are separate.=20
There's a good chance I'd say "tlhutlhQo'taHvIS" and most listeners wouldn't=
catch it, but by the rules we know they'd be right to correct me. I imagine=
it's a bit like "a whole nother issue."
> Further, can anyone think of an instance where -neS honorific has to be us=
ed at the same time as the -taH and -vIS suffixes, as in
>=20
> {chaw'taHneSvIS}
-neS is never required, but that's where it could go. Probably in a full sen=
tence you would put it on the main verb, but ...
-- baQa'! ghorgh nargh qama'?
-- wIHIjtaHneSvIS, Sa'.
Yeah, sounds fine. -neS is so rare everything sounds weird with it.=20
- Qov
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>On 2013-06-26, at 4:46, Fiat Knox <=
<a href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote=
:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#00=
0; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-=
size:12pt"><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: g=
aramond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: nor=
mal;">{Dargh tlhutlhtaHQo'vIS}</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
I can't remember ever saying anything like that, but it follows the rules an=
d tlhutlhtaHvISQo' sounds nonsensical. You get so used to -taHvIS as a unit b=
ut they are separate. <div><br></div><div>There's a good chance I'd say=
"tlhutlhQo'taHvIS" and most listeners wouldn't catch it, but by the rules w=
e know they'd be right to correct me. I imagine it's a bit like "a whole not=
her issue."<br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"color:#000; b=
ackground-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size=
:12pt"><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: gara=
mond,new york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal=
;">Further, can anyone think of an instance where -neS honorific has to be u=
sed at the same time as the -taH and -vIS suffixes, as in<br></div><div styl=
e=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,ti=
mes,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><di=
v style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new y=
ork,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">{chaw't=
aHneSvIS}</div></div></blockquote><br>-neS is never required, but that's whe=
re it could go. Probably in a full sentence you would put it on the main ver=
b, but ...</div><div><br></div><div>-- baQa'! ghorgh nargh qama'?</div><div>=
<br></div><div>-- wIHIjtaHneSvIS, Sa'.</div><div><br></div><div>Yeah, sounds=
fine. -neS is so rare everything sounds weird with it. </div><div><br>=
</div><div>- Qov</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>=
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