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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Kindness is Magic"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Sat Jun 8 00:28:54 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 14:28:26 +1000
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tlhobpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:
> How would you translate this phrase=2C from Ricky Gervais' show "Derek"?
I wouldn't - not without some supporting context=2C at least. More specific=
ally=2C since we lack lexemes for both concepts=2C the original context is =
instructive here:
"She said 'Kindness is magic=2C Derek. It's more important to be kind than =
clever or good looking.'"
The general sentiment would be well captured as {nIv batlh} "honour is best=
". As in=2C {batlh potlh law' Sov parmaq je potlh puS} "honour is more impo=
rtant than knowledge or romance". I think a Klingon would consider acting h=
onourably towards someone to be the kindest way of treating them.
jang Alex=2C jatlh:
> {qa' HoS ghajlu'ghach 'oH vaQHa'lu'ghach'e'} perhaps?
> If it grates=2C it's the concepts that are grating=2C not the grammar.
There's one grammar point that I do find grating here: the use of {-lu'} wi=
th {-ghach}. {-ghach} nouns don't generally take subjects or objects anyway=
=2C so it seems to me that the sole purpose for {-lu'} being there is to do=
dge the markedness of {-ghach} on a bare verb root.
QeS
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>tlhobpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:<br>>=
=3B How would you translate this phrase=2C from Ricky Gervais' show "Derek"=
?<br><br>I wouldn't - not without some supporting context=2C at least. More=
specifically=2C since we lack lexemes for both concepts=2C the original co=
ntext is instructive here:<br><br>"<span class=3D"st">She said 'Kindness is=
magic=2C Derek. It's more important to be kind than clever or good looking=
.'"</span><br><br>The general sentiment would be well captured as {nIv batl=
h} "honour is best". As in=2C {batlh potlh law' Sov parmaq je potlh puS} "h=
onour is more important than knowledge or romance". I think a Klingon would=
consider acting honourably towards someone to be the kindest way of treati=
ng them.<br><span><br>jang Alex=2C jatlh:<br></span>>=3B {qa' HoS ghajlu'=
ghach 'oH vaQHa'lu'ghach'e'} perhaps?<br>>=3B If it grates=2C it's the co=
ncepts that are grating=2C not the grammar.<br><br>There's one grammar poin=
t that I do find grating here: the use of {-lu'} with {-ghach}. {-ghach} no=
uns don't generally take subjects or objects anyway=2C so it seems to me th=
at the sole purpose for {-lu'} being there is to dodge the markedness of {-=
ghach} on a bare verb root.<br><br>QeS<br> </div></body>
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