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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] "Who are you?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Wed Jun 5 10:26:14 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 00:25:50 +1000
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ghItlhpu' Alex=2C jatlh:
> Conversational Klingon=2C that venerable old resource (http://www.youtube=
.com/watch?v=3DoEjBhGD2rFA)=2C
> lists {SoH 'Iv} as "Who are you?" (from 11:20 on the above page) ... but =
TKD=0A=
says the following:-
>"For 'Iv who? and nuq what? the question word fits into the sentence in th=
e position that would be
> occupied by the answer." [TKD=2C 6.4]
>So technically=2C the construction ought to be {'Iv SoH} / {'Iv ghaH} / {'=
Iv tlhIH} / {'Iv chaH}=2C and {nuq 'oH}
> / {nuq bIH} for "What is it? / What are they?=2C" right?
By the strictest interpretation of the rules in TKD=2C yes. However=2C it w=
as later revealed that both {nuq} and {'Iv} can also behave as pronouns for=
the purposes of the pronoun-as-verb. CK has a couple of additional example=
s with {nuq} (e.g. {Dochvam nuq}=2C {Daqvam nuq})=2C and a few years afterw=
ards=2C Marc Okrand wrote the following as part of a post to the MSN newsgr=
oup in response to a question about how to translate "What is your favourit=
e month?":
"(2) You suggested translating "What is your favorite month?" as: jarlIj qa=
q nuq? This one's a little easier to deal with. Your sentence literally mea=
ns "What is your preferable month?" The basic syntax is correct. Question w=
ords (in this case=2C nuq "what?") function the same way pronouns do in que=
stions with "to be" in the English translations. Thus=2C the question yIH n=
uq? "What is a tribble?" is exactly parallel the statement yIH 'oH "It is a=
tribble" (where yIH is "tribble" and 'oH is "it"). The answer to the quest=
ion yIH nuq? ("What is a tribble?") would presumably be a definition or des=
cription of a tribble." (posting by Okrand to MSN newsgroup=2C 12 Dec 1996)
Consequently=2C {SoH 'Iv} can be analysed as having {'Iv} acting as the pro=
noun-as-verb=2C and {SoH} the pronoun as... er... pronoun.
QeS
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' Alex=2C jatlh:<br>>=
=3B Conversational Klingon=2C that venerable old resource (http://www.youtu=
be.com/watch?v=3DoEjBhGD2rFA)=2C<br>>=3B lists {SoH 'Iv} as "Who are you?=
" (from 11:20 on the above page) ... but TKD=0A=
says the following:-<br>>=3B"For 'Iv who? and nuq what? the question wor=
d fits into the sentence in the position that would be<br>>=3B occupied b=
y the answer." [TKD=2C 6.4]<br>>=3BSo technically=2C the construction oug=
ht to be {'Iv SoH} / {'Iv ghaH} / {'Iv tlhIH} / {'Iv chaH}=2C and {nuq 'oH}=
<br>>=3B / {nuq bIH} for "What is it? / What are they?=2C" right?<br><br>=
By the strictest interpretation of the rules in TKD=2C yes. However=2C it w=
as later revealed that both {nuq} and {'Iv} can also behave as pronouns for=
the purposes of the pronoun-as-verb. CK has a couple of additional example=
s with {nuq} (e.g. {Dochvam nuq}=2C {Daqvam nuq})=2C and a few years afterw=
ards=2C Marc Okrand wrote the following as part of a post to the MSN newsgr=
oup in response to a question about how to translate "What is your favourit=
e month?":<br><br>"(2) You suggested translating "What is your favorite mon=
th?" as: jarlIj qaq nuq? This one's a little easier to deal with. Your sent=
ence literally means "What is your preferable month?" The basic syntax is c=
orrect. Question words (in this case=2C nuq "what?") function the same way =
pronouns do in questions with "to be" in the English translations. Thus=2C =
the question yIH nuq? "What is a tribble?" is exactly parallel the statemen=
t yIH 'oH "It is a tribble" (where yIH is "tribble" and 'oH is "it"). The a=
nswer to the question yIH nuq? ("What is a tribble?") would presumably be a=
definition or description of a tribble." (posting by Okrand to MSN newsgro=
up=2C 12 Dec 1996)<br><br>Consequently=2C {SoH 'Iv} can be analysed as havi=
ng {'Iv} acting as the pronoun-as-verb=2C and {SoH} the pronoun as... er...=
pronoun.<br><br>QeS<br> </div></body>
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