[96380] in tlhIngan-Hol
[Tlhingan-hol] "Who are you?"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Wed Jun 5 09:58:01 2013
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:57:20 +0100 (BST)
From: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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Interesting contradiction here.=0A=0A=0AWhen you really have to say "Who ar=
e you?" - that specific question, rather than {yIngu''egh} Identify yoursel=
f! - I spotted what might be a contradiction.=0A=0AConversational Klingon, =
that venerable old resource (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoEjBhGD2rFA),=
lists {SoH 'Iv} as "Who are you?" (from 11:20 on the above page) ... but T=
KD says the following:-=0A=0A"For 'Iv who? and nuq what? the question word =
fits into the sentence in the position that would be occupied by the answer=
." [TKD, 6.4]=0A=0ASo technically, the construction ought to be {'Iv SoH} /=
{'Iv ghaH} / {'Iv tlhIH} / {'Iv chaH}, and {nuq 'oH} / {nuq bIH} for "What=
is it? / What are they?," right?=0A=0AI've been in favour of {'Iv SoH} for=
"Who are you?" and {nuq 'oH} for "What is it?" for years, but this has bee=
n brought to my attention by a young, yet attentive, newcomer to tlhIngan H=
ol whom I've been training.=0A=0ASo would you call it a grammatical anomaly=
, a quirk of tlhIngan Hol, or something else?=0A
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ga=
ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Interesting contradiction he=
re.<br><div id=3D"yiv3509788405"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-c=
olor:#fff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><di=
v id=3D"yiv3509788405"><div id=3D"yiv3509788405yui_3_7_2_31_1370438147244_5=
9"><div id=3D"yiv3509788405yui_3_7_2_31_1370438147244_58" class=3D"yiv35097=
88405yui_3_7_2_31_1370438147244_55" style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#f=
ff;font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div id=3D=
"yiv3509788405yui_3_7_2_27_1370438147244_56"><br>When you really have to sa=
y "Who are you?" - that specific question, rather than {yIngu''egh} Identif=
y yourself! - I spotted what might be a contradiction.<br><br>Conversationa=
l Klingon, that venerable old resource (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoE=
jBhGD2rFA), lists {SoH 'Iv} as "Who are you?" (from 11:20 on the above page=
) ... but TKD
says the following:-<br><br>"For 'Iv who? and nuq what? the question word =
fits into the sentence in the position that would be occupied by the answer=
." [TKD, 6.4]<br><br>So technically, the construction ought to be {'Iv SoH}=
/ {'Iv ghaH} / {'Iv tlhIH} / {'Iv chaH}, and {nuq 'oH} / {nuq bIH} for "Wh=
at is it? / What are they?," right?<br><br>I've been in favour of {'Iv SoH}=
for "Who are you?" and {nuq 'oH} for "What is it?" for years, but this has=
been brought to my attention by a young, yet attentive, newcomer to tlhIng=
an Hol whom I've been training.<br><br>So would you call it a grammatical a=
nomaly, a quirk of tlhIngan Hol, or something else?<br></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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