[96171] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] new Klingon [SPOILER]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Sat May 4 13:22:37 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 03:22:20 +1000
In-Reply-To: <51852BFB.6040203@trimboli.name>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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ghItlhpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:
> wa' tlhIngan mu' jatlh 'e' DaQoylaH:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DyWCEpu2P6IU
vIjangpu' jIH=2C jIjatlh:
> Doj - tlhoS jatlhchu'. ghay rur Hay Qav=2C 'ach {mughojmoH} 'oHba'. DaH
> jIboHqu'choH!
jang je SuStel=2C jatlh:
> Dojbe'. I hear "noshmon" spoken as if it were French.
The vowel nasality I'm willing to concede=2C though both English and Klingo=
n can be spoken with vowel nasality as a non-contrastive feature so I consi=
der it acceptable leeway here=2C especially since there are two nasal conso=
nants within the word. I'll also concede that the sibilant before the /m/ i=
n the ultima is probably /S/ rather than /j/=2C which would make what I hea=
rd {mughoSmoH} "it sends me=2C they send me". The voicing of the remainder =
of the word made it sound to me as though it were voiced also=2C but I've j=
ust run it through a spectrograph and there is indeed neither an affricatio=
n nor voicing there (I wonder if I misheard the stridency of the high frequ=
encies of /S/ as representing the affricate burst of /j/). I'll gladly lay =
the blame on my inexperienced ears=3B after all=2C the word could just as e=
asily be {mughoSmoH}.
But with respect=2C you've misheard the first consonant: it is /m/ and the =
accompanying visual shows clear bilabial involvement. Also=2C though the ar=
ticulation is relatively rapid=2C three syllables are definitely present - =
there's a soft but audible voiced dorsal (a velar or an untrilled uvular) m=
idway through what you've heard as the first /o/ and it's visible on the sp=
ectrogram too. But lip-rounding is also continuously present from immediate=
ly after the /m/ through to the sibilant gesture=2C consistent with two rou=
nded vowels /-ugho-/.
QeS
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:<br>&g=
t=3B wa' tlhIngan mu' jatlh 'e' DaQoylaH:<br><div>>=3B https://www.youtub=
e.com/watch?v=3DyWCEpu2P6IU<br><br>vIjangpu' jIH=2C jIjatlh:<br>>=3B Doj =
- tlhoS jatlhchu'. ghay rur Hay Qav=2C 'ach {mughojmoH} 'oHba'. DaH<br>>=
=3B jIboHqu'choH!<br><br>jang je SuStel=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B Dojbe'. I hear =
"noshmon" spoken as if it were French.<br><br>The vowel nasality I'm willin=
g to concede=2C though both English and Klingon can be spoken with vowel na=
sality as a non-contrastive feature so I consider it acceptable leeway here=
=2C especially since there are two nasal consonants within the word. I'll a=
lso concede that the sibilant before the /m/ in the ultima is probably /S/ =
rather than /j/=2C which would make what I heard {mughoSmoH} "it sends me=
=2C they send me". The voicing of the remainder of the word made it sound t=
o me as though it were voiced also=2C but I've just run it through a spectr=
ograph and there is indeed neither an affrication nor voicing there (I wond=
er if I misheard the stridency of the high frequencies of /S/ as representi=
ng the affricate burst of /j/). I'll gladly lay the blame on my inexperienc=
ed ears=3B after all=2C the word could just as easily be {mughoSmoH}.<br><b=
r>But with respect=2C you've misheard the first consonant: it is /m/ and th=
e accompanying visual shows clear bilabial involvement. Also=2C though the =
articulation is relatively rapid=2C three syllables are definitely present =
- there's a soft but audible voiced dorsal (a velar or an untrilled uvular)=
midway through what you've heard as the first /o/ and it's visible on the =
spectrogram too. But lip-rounding is also continuously present from immedia=
tely after the /m/ through to the sibilant gesture=2C consistent with two r=
ounded vowels /-ugho-/.<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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