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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Noah Bogart)
Wed Apr 10 23:25:12 2013
In-Reply-To: <51662BC4.6010506@trimboli.name>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:24:51 -0400
From: Noah Bogart <nbtheduke@gmail.com>
Cc: Klingon List <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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>And if not, what is the basis for that privilege, if not uniqueness?
Achievements. The organization and thus the people within have shown
themselves to be well-suited for the task. The community at large supports
their work, and their consistency has earned them trust and respect.
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:19 PM, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name>wrote:
> On 4/10/2013 6:05 PM, Lieven wrote:
>
>>
>> ja' SuStel:
>> > It's not half-official or quasi-official or even a little bit official.
>>
>>> Most of the world has no idea that the KLI exists, even if they know
>>> that Klingon exists.
>>>
>>> Everyone accepts translations by the KLI,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone? Really? How have you determined that?
>>>
>>
>> Okay, you are right that the KLI is just a PO-Box owned by some unknown
>> star trek fan and author who has a special permission to use the word
>> Klingon without being sewed.
>>
>
> Lawrence isn't unknown; he's well-known as that Klingon Guy. But being
> well known doesn't grant you officiating power over an artificial language
> created by someone else.
>
>
> But don't you have the little feeling that the KLI does have at least a
>> little "sense" or "touch" of some kind of officialness?
>>
>
> No.
>
>
> wikipedia is listing KLI as the regulator of Klingon. I should cross
>> that line immediately, since that's not right.
>>
>
> "This article needs additional citations for verification." Anyway, where
> does that article say the KLI regulates Klingon?
>
> Basically, your argument comes down to, "Yeah, but, well, you know..."
>
>
> Talking about translations. Apparently not everyone accepts translations
>> by the KLI, but it does make them look better when they are translated
>> by it. Why? Because the KLI is the only "club" who knows Klingon?
>>
>
> Peter Jackson looks better for getting David Salo to translate Elvish for
> his films... because he's a well-known translator. Not the only translator,
> and not an "authorized" translator.
>
>
> Summary:
>> Even though the KLI might have no power about Klingon, I feel it like
>> being the only worldwide club/community/institute that is somehow
>> related to klingon, no matter what you call it - official or not official.
>>
>
> I call it "not official," and that means something different than
> "official." It does matter.
>
> So what happens if I created a new organization for studying and
> translating Klingon? If the KLI is no longer the only organization (an
> assertion I haven't seen any reason to accept) dealing with the language,
> does it lose its privileged Klingon-regulator status? And if not, what is
> the basis for that privilege, if not uniqueness?
>
> Why should an organization whose stated purpose is to *study* and
> *promote* the Klingon language want to *regulate* it?
>
>
> Nobody has ever said that there must be only one qep'a', right? :- P
>>
>
> Certainly not! The KLI does not own a trademark on the word.
>
> --
> SuStel
> http://www.trimboli.name/
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>>And if not, what is the basis for that privilege,=
if not uniqueness?<br><br></div>Achievements. The organization and thus th=
e people within have shown themselves to be well-suited for the task. The c=
ommunity at large supports their work, and their consistency has earned the=
m trust and respect.<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed,=
Apr 10, 2013 at 11:19 PM, David Trimboli <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"=
mailto:david@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>></=
span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 4/10/2013 6:05 PM, Liev=
en wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
ja' SuStel:<br>
=A0> It's not half-official or quasi-official or even a little bit o=
fficial.<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Most of the world has no idea that the KLI exists, even if they know<br>
that Klingon exists.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Everyone accepts translations by the KLI,<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Everyone? Really? How have you determined that?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Okay, you are right that the KLI is just a PO-Box owned by some unknown<br>
star trek fan and author who has a special permission to use the word<br>
Klingon without being sewed.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Lawrence isn't unknown; he's well-known as that Klingon Guy. But be=
ing well known doesn't grant you officiating power over an artificial l=
anguage created by someone else.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
But don't you have the little feeling that the KLI does have at least a=
<br>
little "sense" or "touch" of some kind of officialness?=
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
No.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
wikipedia is listing KLI as the regulator of Klingon. I should cross<br>
that line immediately, since that's not right.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
"This article needs additional citations for verification." Anywa=
y, where does that article say the KLI regulates Klingon?<br>
<br>
Basically, your argument comes down to, "Yeah, but, well, you know...&=
quot;<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Talking about translations. Apparently not everyone accepts translations<br=
>
by the KLI, but it does make them look better when they are translated<br>
by it. Why? Because the KLI is the only "club" who knows Klingon?=
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Peter Jackson looks better for getting David Salo to translate Elvish for h=
is films... because he's a well-known translator. Not the only translat=
or, and not an "authorized" translator.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Summary:<br>
Even though the KLI might have no power about Klingon, I feel it like<br>
being the only worldwide club/community/institute that is somehow<br>
related to klingon, no matter what you call it - official or not official.<=
br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
I call it "not official," and that means something different than=
"official." It does matter.<br>
<br>
So what happens if I created a new organization for studying and translatin=
g Klingon? If the KLI is no longer the only organization (an assertion I ha=
ven't seen any reason to accept) dealing with the language, does it los=
e its privileged Klingon-regulator status? And if not, what is the basis fo=
r that privilege, if not uniqueness?<br>
<br>
Why should an organization whose stated purpose is to *study* and *promote*=
the Klingon language want to *regulate* it?<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Nobody has ever said that there must be only one qep'a', right? =A0=
:- P<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
Certainly not! The KLI does not own a trademark on the word.<span class=3D"=
HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
SuStel<br>
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.name/</a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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