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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into Darkness
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Tue Apr 9 11:03:02 2013
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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From: Michael Roney, Jr. PKT [mailto:nahqun@gmail.com]=20
Sent: April 8, 2013 5:34 PM
To: Fiat Knox; Klingon Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into Darkness
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Qo'!
I, um, have a pickle phobia.
I'm now reconsidering my plans to see the film.
~naHQun=20
~Michael Roney, Jr.
Professional Klingon translator
webOS developer
-- Sent from my "Franken" Palm Pre 2
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On Apr 8, 2013 20:22, Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:=20
jIHagh!
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*Hov leng Hurgh* "Star Trek Pickle" is is, then! :)
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013, 1:12
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into Darkness
Parsing of the movie's title is a topic of hilariously hot debate even =
in
English. No amount of pronouncement will solve it here.
http://xkcd.com/1167/
Personally I adore the phrasings that can be accidentally interpreted as
referring to pickles. I'm simply going to call it <Hov leng Hurgh>, and
whether I think of it as the pickle movie or the dark one will depend on =
the
experience of the watching.
- Qov
-----Original Message-----
From: David Trimboli [mailto:david@trimboli.name]=20
Sent: April 8, 2013 7:12 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into Darkness
On 4/8/2013 9:38 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:
> Fiat Knox:
>> How would you translate the title "Star Trek Into Darkness"
>> without it coming out as "Star Trek In A Pickle?"
>> Although, come to think of it ...
>
> I see your point. Since the original isn't a complete sentence, only a =
> phrase, you might try *{Hov Leng: HurghchoH/HurghlI'}=20
> "turning/becoming dark" - but I can't remember unconjugated verbs=20
> being used like this in a title before. If you want to avoid the=20
> {Hurgh} pickle, some options are:
It's not "Star Trek: Into Darkness"; it's "Star Trek Into Darkness."=20
That is, it's not the Star Trek movie called "Into Darkness"; it's
(presumably) a movie about trekking among the stars into darkness.
vIbej 'e' vInabbe'ba'...
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D'>loDnalwI=E2=80=99vaD qechvam wIngoch =E2=80=98e=E2=80=99 =
vIQIjDI=E2=80=99 jatlh, =E2=80=9CYou know how in English we have a fruit =
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Roney, Jr. PKT [mailto:nahqun@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> April 8, 2013 =
5:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> Fiat Knox; Klingon Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into Darkness<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Qo'!<br><br>I, um, have a pickle =
phobia.<br><br>I'm now reconsidering my plans to see the =
film.<br><br><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>~naHQun </span><o:p></o=
:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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~Michael Roney, Jr.<br>Professional Klingon translator<br>webOS =
developer<br><br>-- Sent from my "Franken" Palm Pre =
2<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'>On Apr 8, 2013 =
20:22, Fiat Knox <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk">fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk</a>> =
wrote: </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:black'>*Hov leng Hurgh* =
"Star Trek Pickle" is is, then! =
:)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Robyn Stewart <<a =
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o:</b> <a =
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digitalkingdom.org</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 9 April 2013, =
1:12<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into =
Darkness</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span =
style=3D'color:black'><br>Parsing of the movie's title is a topic of =
hilariously hot debate even in<br>English. No amount of pronouncement =
will solve it here.<br><a href=3D"http://xkcd.com/1167/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://xkcd.com/1167/</a><br><br>Personally I adore =
the phrasings that can be accidentally interpreted as<br>referring to =
pickles. I'm simply going to call it <Hov leng Hurgh>, =
and<br>whether I think of it as the pickle movie or the dark one will =
depend on the<br>experience of the watching.<br><br>- =
Qov<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: David Trimboli [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:david@trimboli.name">david@trimboli.name</a>] <br>Sent: =
April 8, 2013 7:12 AM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org">tlhingan-hol@stodi.=
digitalkingdom.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into =
Darkness<br><br>On 4/8/2013 9:38 AM, Steven Boozer wrote:<br>> Fiat =
Knox:<br>>> How would you translate the title "Star Trek Into =
Darkness"<br>>> without it coming out as "Star Trek In A =
Pickle?"<br>>> Although, come to think of it =
...<br>><br>> I see your point. Since the original isn't a =
complete sentence, only a <br>> phrase, you might try *{Hov Leng: =
HurghchoH/HurghlI'} <br>> "turning/becoming dark" - but I =
can't remember unconjugated verbs <br>> being used like this in a =
title before. If you want to avoid the <br>> {Hurgh} pickle, some =
options are:<br><br>It's not "Star Trek: Into Darkness"; it's =
"Star Trek Into Darkness." <br>That is, it's not the Star Trek =
movie called "Into Darkness"; it's<br>(presumably) a movie =
about trekking among the stars into darkness.<br><br>vIbej 'e' =
vInabbe'ba'...<br><br>--<br>SuStel<br><a =
href=3D"http://www.trimboli.name/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.trimboli.name/</a><br><br>__________________=
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