[95985] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Noah Bogart)
Mon Apr 8 17:25:37 2013
In-Reply-To: <51632EAB.8010609@trimboli.name>
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 17:24:59 -0400
From: Noah Bogart <nbtheduke@gmail.com>
Cc: Klingon List <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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I was thinking more of the Dothraki or Na'Vi languages, with their language
committees that stay in close contact with the creator, but do more work as
a group than the creators can do by themselves. This allows for fewer
mistakes in "canon", and quicker answers about unknowns in the language.
I'd make the committee members not all decided by public votes, but some
selected from previous and current Beginner's Grammarians, delegates from
the big companies or groups (someone from the KLI, someone from the
Klingonska Akadamien, etc), published authors, and even Marc himself. Marc
could have fiat power to make decisions as he chooses, but otherwise his
input isn't necessary for word creation or grammar disputes.
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:55 PM, David Trimboli <david@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 4/8/2013 4:28 PM, Noah Bogart wrote:
>
>> In my heretical opinion, I feel like Klingon stagnates because we're
>> stuck waiting on MO for new words and constructions. Obviously, he's
>> great, but the lack of community involvement in its furtherment, as I
>> see it, makes growing the speaking base hard.
>>
>
> I refuse to accept the word you coined for "magician's hat" and insist you
> embrace the word I made up for "eating a TV dinner." See the problem? There
> is no International Committee on the Klingon Language, and I for one would
> not recognize any such committee's authority to tell me what is and is not
> Klingon.
>
> The only way to do what you want is to have a community that not only uses
> Klingon for communication, but also that is a separate group from
> "Klingons." That is, it must split off from Star Trek's Klingon language
> and be its own language, governed by the rules of natural languages.
>
> qaSbe'bej.
>
> I do find it amusing, though, that so many people forget that Klingon is a
> constructed language that does not actually evolve in the way natural
> languages do. It would be interesting if there were to develop a "Living
> Klingon" language alongside the "Classical Klingon" we get from Okrand. In
> fact, it would be fascinating to watch the two diverge as speakers of
> Living Klingon accepted new words and grammar to handle things that
> Classical Klingon couldn't.
>
> --
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I was thinking more of the Dothraki or Na'Vi languages=
, with their language committees that stay in close contact with the creato=
r, but do more work as a group than the creators can do by themselves. This=
allows for fewer mistakes in "canon", and quicker answers about =
unknowns in the language. I'd make the committee members not all decide=
d by public votes, but some selected from previous and current Beginner'=
;s Grammarians, delegates from the big companies or groups (someone from th=
e KLI, someone from the Klingonska Akadamien, etc), published authors, and =
even Marc himself. Marc could have fiat power to make decisions as he choos=
es, but otherwise his input isn't necessary for word creation or gramma=
r disputes.<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon,=
Apr 8, 2013 at 4:55 PM, David Trimboli <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:david@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>></sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 4/8/2013 4:28 PM, Noah =
Bogart wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
In my heretical opinion, I feel like Klingon stagnates because we're<br=
>
stuck waiting on MO for new words and constructions. Obviously, he's<br=
>
great, but the lack of community involvement in its furtherment, as I<br>
see it, makes growing the speaking base hard.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
I refuse to accept the word you coined for "magician's hat" a=
nd insist you embrace the word I made up for "eating a TV dinner."=
; See the problem? There is no International Committee on the Klingon Langu=
age, and I for one would not recognize any such committee's authority t=
o tell me what is and is not Klingon.<br>
<br>
The only way to do what you want is to have a community that not only uses =
Klingon for communication, but also that is a separate group from "Kli=
ngons." That is, it must split off from Star Trek's Klingon langua=
ge and be its own language, governed by the rules of natural languages.<br>
<br>
qaSbe'bej.<br>
<br>
I do find it amusing, though, that so many people forget that Klingon is a =
constructed language that does not actually evolve in the way natural langu=
ages do. It would be interesting if there were to develop a "Living Kl=
ingon" language alongside the "Classical Klingon" we get fro=
m Okrand. In fact, it would be fascinating to watch the two diverge as spea=
kers of Living Klingon accepted new words and grammar to handle things that=
Classical Klingon couldn't.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#8888=
88"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
SuStel<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.trimboli.name/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.trimboli=
.name/</a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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