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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek Into Darkness
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Mon Apr 8 14:28:49 2013
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:28:03 +0100 (BST)
From: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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The "Darkness," so I am told, in the title is a metaphorical one - a time o=
f evil tidings, or a time when everything becomes evil.=0A=0ASo perhaps "le=
ng Hov mIghchoHDI' Hoch" could do.=0A=0AFiat Knox:=0A>>>> How would you tra=
nslate the title "Star Trek Into Darkness"=0A>>>> without it coming out as =
"Star Trek In A Pickle?"=0A>>>> Although, come to think of it ...=0A>=0A>Vo=
ragh:=0A>>> I see your point. Since the original isn't a complete sentence,=
only a=0A>>> phrase, you might try *{Hov leng: HurghchoH/HurghlI'}=0A>>> "=
turning/becoming dark" - but I can't remember unconjugated verbs=0A>>> bein=
g used like this in a title before. If you want to avoid the=0A>>> {Hurgh} =
pickle, some options are:=0A>=0A>SuStel:=0A>> It's not "Star Trek: Into Dar=
kness"; it's "Star Trek Into Darkness."=0A>> That is, it's not the Star Tre=
k movie called "Into Darkness"; it's=0A>> (presumably) a movie about trekki=
ng among the stars into darkness.=0A>=0A>Then add "space" to the mix:=0A>=
=0A>=A0 logh HurghDaq Hov leng=0A>=A0 logh HopDaq Hov leng=0A>=A0 logh qIjD=
aq Hov leng=0A>=0A>{loghDaq leng} "travel/trek into space" appears in SkyBo=
x S99:=0A>=0A>=A0 HaDlu'meH, QuSlu'meH, SuDlu'meH lojmIt Da logh Hop Hut te=
ngchaH.=0A>=A0 vaj loghDaq lenglaHtaH Humanpu' =0A>=A0 space station Deep =
Space Nine is the gateway for the exploration,=0A>=A0 intrigue and enterpri=
se that mark the continuation of the human=0A>=A0 adventure into space... S=
99=0A>=0A>There's no known noun for {darkness}, but the word does appear in=
an English translation of a {bang bom} in the script for TNG "The Dauphin"=
(or was it "Up the Long Ladder"?):=0A>=0A>=A0 =A0 "I hunt in darkness.=0A=
>=A0 =A0 =A0 The stars my guide.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 The memory of you sings in =
my blood.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 I seize the gift.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 Carry it to your =
bower.=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 And lay at your feet the hearts of my enemies."=0A>=
=0A>We didn't hear Worf recite it on-screen. Only one line has been transla=
ted by Okrand:=0A>=0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 bomDI' 'IwwIj qaqaw =0A>=A0 =A0 =A0 The m=
emory of you sings in my blood (TKW 17)=0A>=0A>... though the rest doesn't =
appear too difficult.=A0 E.g.=0A>=0A>=A0 ? HurghtaHvIS jIwam.=0A>=A0 ? muDe=
v Hovmey.=0A>=A0 =A0 bomDI' 'IwwIj qaqaw.=0A>=A0 ? nob vI'uch[choH}.=0A>=A0=
? pa'lIjDaq vIqeng.=0A>=A0 ? 'ej qam[Du']lIjDaq jagh[pu']wI' tIqDu' vIlan.=
=0A>=0A>=0A>--=0A>Voragh=0A>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ga=
ramond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>The "Darkness," s=
o I am told, in the title is a metaphorical one - a time of evil tidings, o=
r a time when everything becomes evil.</span></div><div style=3D"color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times,serif; bac=
kground-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br><span></span></div><di=
v style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new =
york,times,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span=
></span>So perhaps "leng Hov mIghchoHDI' Hoch" could do.</div><div style=3D=
"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond,new york,times=
,serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div>=
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: =
5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style=3D"font-family: garamo=
nd,
new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style=3D"font-family: times=
new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">Fiat Knox:<br>>>=
;> How would you translate the title "Star Trek Into Darkness"<br>>&g=
t;> without it coming out as "Star Trek In A Pickle?"<br>>>> Al=
though, come to think of it ...<br><br>Voragh:<br>>> I see your point=
. Since the original isn't a complete sentence, only a<br>>> phrase, =
you might try *{Hov leng: HurghchoH/HurghlI'}<br>>> "turning/becoming=
dark" - but I can't remember unconjugated verbs<br>>> being used lik=
e this in a title before. If you want to avoid the<br>>> {Hurgh} pick=
le, some options are:<br><br>SuStel:<br>> It's not "Star Trek: Into Dark=
ness"; it's "Star Trek Into Darkness."<br>> That is, it's not the Star T=
rek movie called "Into Darkness"; it's<br>> (presumably) a movie about t=
rekking among the stars into darkness.<br><br>Then add "space" to the
mix:<br><br> logh HurghDaq Hov leng<br> logh HopDaq Hov leng<b=
r> logh qIjDaq Hov leng<br><br>{loghDaq leng} "travel/trek into space=
" appears in SkyBox S99:<br><br> HaDlu'meH, QuSlu'meH, SuDlu'meH lojm=
It Da logh Hop Hut tengchaH.<br> vaj loghDaq lenglaHtaH Humanpu' <br=
> space station Deep Space Nine is the gateway for the exploration,<b=
r> intrigue and enterprise that mark the continuation of the human<br=
> adventure into space... S99<br><br>There's no known noun for {darkn=
ess}, but the word does appear in an English translation of a {bang bom} in=
the script for TNG "The Dauphin" (or was it "Up the Long Ladder"?):<br><br=
> "I hunt in darkness.<br> The stars my g=
uide.<br> The memory of you sings in my blood.<br> =
; I seize the gift.<br> Carry it to your =
bower.<br> And lay at your feet the hearts of my
enemies."<br><br>We didn't hear Worf recite it on-screen. Only one line ha=
s been translated by Okrand:<br><br> bomDI' 'IwwIj qaqa=
w <br> The memory of you sings in my blood (TKW 17)<br>=
<br>... though the rest doesn't appear too difficult. E.g.<br><br>&nb=
sp; ? HurghtaHvIS jIwam.<br> ? muDev Hovmey.<br> bomDI' =
'IwwIj qaqaw.<br> ? nob vI'uch[choH}.<br> ? pa'lIjDaq vIqeng.<b=
r> ? 'ej qam[Du']lIjDaq jagh[pu']wI' tIqDu' vIlan.<br><br><br>--<br>V=
oragh<br>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<br><br><br><br><br>_________________=
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