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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Noah Bogart)
Fri Jan 11 08:40:02 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAMZYS2XL9eJqcDj0d+Ba2LLcqmRUAHyroMe4aqZfcqBYRL8gFw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:39:17 -0500
From: Noah Bogart <nbtheduke@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
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I just did a rough attempt, having added all letter frequencies cited so
far and trying to find a comparable point value:
Letter Number Points
' 10 1
a 10 1
e 8 1
I 8 1
H 6 1
o 6 1
u 5 1
j 5 1
v 5 1
m 4 1
D 4 2
g 3 2
l 3 2
q 2 3
t 2 3
ch 2 3
b 2 4
S 2 4
p 2 4
n 2 4
w 2 5
y 1 5
r 1 8
tlh 1 8
Q 1 10
ng 1 10
?lank 2 0
100 87
The number of tiles (100) and the total point value (87) equal the English
version of the game. What do you all think?
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Michael Roney, Jr. PKT <nahqun@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
> wrote:
> > Another question from the Canadian Scrabble-maker:
> > http://www.creativetrophies.ca
> >
> > "Another question, how would you advise me to make the tiles; English and
> > pIqaD letters and numbers to help learn Klingon and/or just Klingon???"
> >
>
> Personally, I would be interested in a pIqaD-only set.
> But I know that there are plenty of Klingonists who have no interest
> in learning pIqaD.
>
> I also know that I'd be more likely to get my wife to play if she
> could read the tiles...
> A few years back, my wife gladly played with qurgh's set and my pocket
> dictionary.
>
> Not knowing the costs to the tile maker, I'd suggest offering two sets.
>
> >>Now does anyone want to suggest which letter frequencies we diminish in
> order to bring the qaghwI' frequency up close to the 'at >>frequency? I'm
> fine with leaving the letter values as they are, even though it looks that
> tlh is overvalued, but it might improve >>playability to have a few more
> qaghwI'mey kicking around.
>
> I would take all of the frequencies that have been tossed out, and do
> a bunch of math to get a more averaged frequency set.
> This way we're not basing it all off of one text or one person's writing
> style.
>
> I would then stare at those numbers and study the distributions here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions
>
> And try to find something comparable.
>
> As it's 7:30 in the morning, I'm going to get some sleep and I'll let
> someone else stare at the numbers...
>
> ~naHQun
> --
> ~Michael Roney, Jr.
> Professional Klingon Translator
> webOS Developer
>
> http://www.twitter.com/roneyii
> http://www.google.com/s2/profiles/110546798564536163288
>
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I just did a rough attempt, having added all letter frequencies cited so fa=
r and trying to find a comparable point value:<div><br></div><div><div>Lett=
er=A0Number=A0Points</div><div>'<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D=
"white-space:pre"> </span>10<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-s=
pace:pre"> </span>1</div>
<div>a<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>10<s=
pan class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div><div>=
e<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>8<span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div>
<div>I<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>8<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div><div>H=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>6<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div>
<div>o<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>6<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div><div>u=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>5<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div>
<div>j<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>5<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div><div>v=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>5<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div>
<div>m<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1</div><div>D=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2</div>
<div>g<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>3<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2</div><div>l=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>3<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2</div>
<div>q<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>3</div><div>t=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>3</div>
<div>ch<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<s=
pan class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>3</div><div>=
b<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4</div>
<div>S<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4</div><div>p=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4</div>
<div>n<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>4</div><div>w=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>5</div>
<div>y<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>5</div><div>r=
<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1<span cla=
ss=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>8</div>
<div>tlh<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1<=
span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>8</div><div=
>Q<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1<span c=
lass=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>10</div>
<div>ng<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>1<s=
pan class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>10</div><div=
>?lank<span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>2<sp=
an class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>0</div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>100<s=
pan class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>87</div><div=
><br></div><div>The number of tiles (100) and the total point value (87) eq=
ual the English version of the game. What do you all think?</div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Michael Ron=
ey, Jr. PKT <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:nahqun@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">nahqun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
> Another question from the Canadian Scrabble-maker:<br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.creativetrophies.ca" target=3D"_blank">http://ww=
w.creativetrophies.ca</a><br>
><br>
> "Another question, how would you advise me to make the tiles; Eng=
lish and<br>
> pIqaD letters and numbers to help learn Klingon and/or just Klingon???=
"<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Personally, I would be interested in a pIqaD-only set.<br>
But I know that there are plenty of Klingonists who have no interest<br>
in learning pIqaD.<br>
<br>
I also know that I'd be more likely to get my wife to play if she<br>
could read the tiles...<br>
A few years back, my wife gladly played with qurgh's set and my pocket<=
br>
dictionary.<br>
<br>
Not knowing the costs to the tile maker, I'd suggest offering two sets.=
<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
>>Now does anyone want to suggest which letter frequencies we diminis=
h in order to bring the qaghwI' frequency up close to the 'at >&=
gt;frequency? =A0I'm fine with leaving the letter values as they are, e=
ven though it looks that tlh is overvalued, but it might improve >>pl=
ayability to have a few more qaghwI'mey kicking around.<br>
<br>
</div>I would take all of the frequencies that have been tossed out, and do=
<br>
a bunch of math to get a more averaged frequency set.<br>
This way we're not basing it all off of one text or one person's wr=
iting style.<br>
<br>
I would then stare at those numbers and study the distributions here:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble_letter_distributions</a=
><br>
<br>
And try to find something comparable.<br>
<br>
As it's 7:30 in the morning, I'm going to get some sleep and I'=
ll let<br>
someone else stare at the numbers...<br>
<br>
~naHQun<br>
<div class=3D"im HOEnZb">--<br>
~Michael Roney, Jr.<br>
Professional Klingon Translator<br>
webOS Developer<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.twitter.com/roneyii" target=3D"_blank">http://www.twi=
tter.com/roneyii</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.google.com/s2/profiles/110546798564536163288" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.google.com/s2/profiles/110546798564536163288</a><br>
<br>
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