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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI': 'ay' 15 - pop 'oH ghob'e'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Wed Jan 9 09:06:20 2013
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From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 06:05:41 -0800
To: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
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Then you'll make the reader think she's been kidnapped. Don't make it crazy.=
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On 2013-01-08, at 21:55, Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wro=
te:
> jIjatlhpu':
> > qo' bel ghaH tIna'tIn'e', mIp'a' wellu'bogh ghaH.
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> mujang Qov, jatlh:
> > Tinatin was a pleasant world, She was a fortune owed.
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> jIH:
> > Hrm. I see how you got "a pleasant world". I'll=20
> > change it to {qo'vaD bel} or {qo' bel'a'} (the=20
> > English is "She is the joy of the world, she is
> > treasure and due").
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> Qov:
> > qo' bel'a' brings the meaning to me more=20
> > directly. I don't understand the point of the=20
> > 'due' or 'owed' aspect. Are you sure the word=20
> > due in the original has the meaning of something
> > that must be paid?
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> jIH:
> > Yep. The Georgian is /vali/ "debt", from the same root as
> > /movalea/ "to owe". Nevertheless I'm a bit in two minds
> > about keeping it - it is pretty opaque.
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> jang Voragh, jatlh:
> > I like *{mIp'a'} here, but WRT debts we now have {qav'ap} "amount (of mo=
ney), rent" from Monopoly:
> > voHDajbo' qav'ap
> > mortgage value MKE
> > {qav'ap} seems to be an amount of money owed for something, the most usu=
aly form is rent or a fee of
> > some kind; it might be used for a payment on a dept or loan. However... u=
sing it to refer to a woman
> > probably sends the wrong message! <g>
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> Very true! While {qav'ap wellu'bogh ghaH} would translate the Georgian wel=
l, the meaning would definitely be misunderstood here.
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> Actually, now you've got me wondering if "debt" might be a useful gloss fo=
r {qav'ap} more generally.
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> taH:
> > And while we're talking about vocabulary relating to debts, we also have=
{voHDajbo'} "ransom, mortgage":
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> Ooo, that I hadn't thought of. {voHDajbo''a' wellu'bogh qotlh} "she would d=
eserve a great ransom owed"?
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> QeS
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s been kidnapped. Don't make it crazy. <br><br>On 2013-01-08, at 21:55,=
Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <<a href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com">qeslag=
h@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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jIjatlhpu':<br>> qo' bel ghaH tIna'tIn'e', mIp'a' wellu'bogh ghaH.<br><di=
v><br>mujang Qov, jatlh:<br>> Tinatin was a pleasant world, She was a for=
tune owed.<br><br>jIH:<br>> Hrm. I see how you got "a pleasant world". I'=
ll <br>> change it to {qo'vaD bel} or {qo' bel'a'} (the <br>> English i=
s "She is the joy of the world, she is<br>> treasure and due").<br><br>Qo=
v:<br>> qo' bel'a' brings the meaning to me more <br>> directly. I do=
n't understand the point of the <br>> 'due' or 'owed' aspect. Are you su=
re the word <br>> due in the original has the meaning of something<br>>=
; that must be paid?<br><br>jIH:<br>> Yep. The Georgian is /vali/ "debt",=
from the same root as<br>> /movalea/ "to owe". Nevertheless I'm a bit i=
n two minds<br>> about keeping it - it is pretty opaque.<br><br>jang Vora=
gh, jatlh:<br>> I like *{mIp'a'} here, but WRT debts we now have {qav'ap}=
"amount (of money), rent" from Monopoly:<br>> voHDajbo' qav'ap<br>>=
mortgage value MKE<br>> {qav'ap} seems to be an amount of money owed f=
or something, the most usualy form is rent or a fee of<br>> some kind; it=
might be used for a payment on a dept or loan. However... using it to refe=
r to a woman<br>> probably sends the wrong message! <g><br><br>Ver=
y true! While {qav'ap wellu'bogh ghaH} would translate the Georgian well, th=
e meaning would definitely be misunderstood here.<br><br>Actually, now you'v=
e got me wondering if "debt" might be a useful gloss for {qav'ap} more gener=
ally.<br><br>taH:<br>> And while we're talking about vocabulary relating t=
o debts, we also have {voHDajbo'} "ransom, mortgage":<br><br>Ooo, that I had=
n't thought of. {voHDajbo''a' wellu'bogh qotlh} "she would deserve a great r=
ansom owed"?<br><br>QeS<br></div> <=
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