[95485] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Fwd: RE: Klingon Scrabble
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Mon Jan 7 10:05:54 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 01:05:38 +1000
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130106113010.05970f58@flyingstart.ca>
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jatlhpu' Qov:
> It's not very many words you have there=2C so probably only 'ay''a'=20
> wa'. It would be interesting to compare to Hamlet or any other manuscript=
.
(poD vay')
jIjatlhpu' jIH:
> The comparison to the list from nuq bop bom is intriguing. For=20
> starters=2C in my text qaghwI' is the most frequent of ALL letters!
mujang Qov=2C jatlh:
> I noticed and wondered about that. I'll have to pay attention to=20
> style. Maybe you're fonder of certain affixes.
Quite possible. I haven't the skill=2C time=2C or desire to work out an acc=
urate way of counting affix representations=2C but the following counts of =
raw syllables that correspond to certain affixes with qaghwI' in them may r=
eveal something:
pu': 963
wI': 773
qu': 616
Ha': 464
chu': 364
lu': 350
'a': 312
qa': 239
and also these=2C for which removal of most non-affix forms was straightfor=
ward:
be': 618 (not counting 145 instances of {be'} at the start of a word)
'e': 421 (not counting 535 instances of the stand-alone word {'e'})
ta': 238 (not counting 45 instances of {ta'} at the start of a word)
jIH:
> The two other big discrepancies are /gh/ and /v/=2C both of which are=20
> more common in my list: /v/ and /gh/ are 9th and 13th in mine=2C=20
> compared to 12th and 17th in Qov's. I'd put this down to narrative=20
> style=2C as a great deal of mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI' is people talking to=20
> and about themselves: there's likely a lot of vI- and -'egh causing=20
> this. The frequency of /j/ also agrees with that=2C as does the fact=20
> that /I/ (in both /jI-/ and /vI-/) outranks both /e/ and /o/=2C where=20
> it doesn't for nuq bop bom.
Qov:
> I thought my characters talked too much=2C but I do try to have them DO=20
> things rather than say them.
Yeah=2C my characters do talk a lot about what happened to them in the past=
. A lot of this bom sets the scene with frame-tale telling.
jIH:
> All my other letters=2C though=2C differ by two places or less from=20
> Qov's list. /ng/ is last for me too=2C by a very considerable margin.=20
> The fact that /ch/ is actually *less* frequent for me is odd=2C=20
> though=2C because I happen to know that my natural form for "but" (one=20
> of the most frequent words in written text) is /'ach/ while Qov more=20
> usually seems to uses /'a/.
Qov:
> Maybe I use 'a more than you=2C or more often in speech=2C but in the nuq=
=20
> bop bom overall word count I got:
> 1089 'ach
> 295 'a
Ahh=2C fair enough. My count at the moment is 267 and 0. :) (I should proba=
bly mix it up a bit more with the varieties of different speakers. I just n=
ever think to vary function words like "but" and "yes".)
> And I only used ngagh and it's derivatives about twenty times. :P
Huh. Is that all? Is it just your racy metaphor that made me think it was m=
uch more? =3B)
QeS
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jatlhpu' Qov:<br><div>>=3B It's not very many words you have there=2C so =
probably only 'ay''a' <br>>=3B wa'. It would be interesting to compare to=
Hamlet or any other manuscript.<br><br>(poD vay')<br><br>jIjatlhpu' jIH:<b=
r>>=3B The comparison to the list from nuq bop bom is intriguing. For <br=
>>=3B starters=2C in my text qaghwI' is the most frequent of ALL letters!=
<br><br>mujang Qov=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B I noticed and wondered about that. I=
'll have to pay attention to <br>>=3B style. Maybe you're fonder of certa=
in affixes.<br><br>Quite possible. I haven't the skill=2C time=2C or desire=
to work out an accurate way of counting affix representations=2C but the f=
ollowing counts of raw syllables that correspond to certain affixes with qa=
ghwI' in them may reveal something:<br><br>pu': 963<br>wI': 773<br>qu': 616=
<br>Ha': 464<br>chu': 364<br>lu': 350<br>'a': 312<br>qa': 239<br><br>and al=
so these=2C for which removal of most non-affix forms was straightforward:<=
br><br>be': 618 (not counting 145 instances of {be'} at the start of a word=
)<br>'e': 421 (not counting 535 instances of the stand-alone word {'e'})<b=
r>ta': 238 (not counting 45 instances of {ta'} at the start of a word)<br><=
br>jIH:<br>>=3B The two other big discrepancies are /gh/ and /v/=2C both =
of which are <br>>=3B more common in my list: /v/ and /gh/ are 9th and 13=
th in mine=2C <br>>=3B compared to 12th and 17th in Qov's. I'd put this d=
own to narrative <br>>=3B style=2C as a great deal of mIl'oD veDDIr SuvwI=
' is people talking to <br>>=3B and about themselves: there's likely a lo=
t of vI- and -'egh causing <br>>=3B this. The frequency of /j/ also agree=
s with that=2C as does the fact <br>>=3B that /I/ (in both /jI-/ and /vI-=
/) outranks both /e/ and /o/=2C where <br>>=3B it doesn't for nuq bop bom=
.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B I thought my characters talked too much=2C but I do=
try to have them DO <br>>=3B things rather than say them.<br><br>Yeah=2C=
my characters do talk a lot about what happened to them in the past. A lot=
of this bom sets the scene with frame-tale telling.<br><br>jIH:<br>>=3B =
All my other letters=2C though=2C differ by two places or less from <br>>=
=3B Qov's list. /ng/ is last for me too=2C by a very considerable margin. <=
br>>=3B The fact that /ch/ is actually *less* frequent for me is odd=2C <=
br>>=3B though=2C because I happen to know that my natural form for "but"=
(one <br>>=3B of the most frequent words in written text) is /'ach/ whil=
e Qov more <br>>=3B usually seems to uses /'a/.<br><br>Qov:<br>>=3B May=
be I use 'a more than you=2C or more often in speech=2C but in the nuq <br>=
>=3B bop bom overall word count I got:<br>>=3B 1089 'ach<br>>=3B 2=
95 'a<br><br>Ahh=2C fair enough. My count at the moment is 267 and 0. :=
) (I should probably mix it up a bit more with the varieties of different s=
peakers. I just never think to vary function words like "but" and "yes".)<b=
r><br>>=3B And I only used ngagh and it's derivatives about twenty times.=
:P<br><br>Huh. Is that all? Is it just your racy metaphor that made me thi=
nk it was much more? =3B)<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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