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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghe'tor
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh)
Mon Jan 7 09:43:52 2013
From: Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 00:43:36 +1000
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ghItlhpu' qurgh=2C jatlh:
> Klingon word: ghe'tor
> Part of speech: noun
> Definition: *Gre'thor* (where spirits of dishonored go)
> Source: KGT
jang De'vID=2C jatlh:
> This is in TKDA as {ghe''or} (with two adjacent glottal stops!)=2C and
> it is pronounced that way on the Power Klingon tape too (in the curse
> {ghe''orDaq luSpet 'oH DaqlIj'e'}). Sources after this consistently
> use the {ghe'tor} spelling though.
> I'm not sure if the earlier spelling should be considered a mistake=2C
> or if they are two equally valid alternate spellings.
For my part I try to avoid tarring one form or another as a "mistake"=2C ev=
en if it's probably pretty clear that's how it originated. Klingon is suppo=
sed to be naturalistic=2C and pairs like jorneb/jornub=2C naHjej/neHjej=2C =
and the like could be dialectic or simply idiolectic variation. I like the =
idea that Klingon would have variety along these lines - the Empire's too b=
ig to be culturally homogeneous=2C after all.
At any rate=2C we know from the paq'batlh that some instances of glottal st=
op in modern Klingon come from no' Hol /t/ - /tubba'lit/ for {tobbe'lu'}=2C=
for instance. The recently-revealed verb {rIt} "summon" is also suspicious=
ly similar to {rI'} "hail" and I've wondered if {rIt} could be etymologised=
as a reborrowing from an older form of Klingon. Similarly=2C perhaps {ghe'=
tor} is an archaic-sounding form in Klingon=2C with {ghe''or} the more mode=
rn=2C or perhaps simply more casual=2C pronunciation. Who knows?
QeS
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ghItlhpu' qurgh=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B Klingon word: ghe'tor<br><div>>=3B Pa=
rt of speech: noun<br>>=3B Definition: *Gre'thor* (where spirits of disho=
nored go)<br>>=3B Source: KGT<br><br>jang De'vID=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B This=
is in TKDA as {ghe''or} (with two adjacent glottal stops!)=2C and<br>>=
=3B it is pronounced that way on the Power Klingon tape too (in the curse<b=
r>>=3B {ghe''orDaq luSpet 'oH DaqlIj'e'}). Sources after this consistentl=
y<br>>=3B use the {ghe'tor} spelling though.<br>>=3B I'm not sure if th=
e earlier spelling should be considered a mistake=2C<br>>=3B or if they a=
re two equally valid alternate spellings.<br><br>For my part I try to avoid=
tarring one form or another as a "mistake"=2C even if it's probably pretty=
clear that's how it originated. Klingon is supposed to be naturalistic=2C =
and pairs like jorneb/jornub=2C naHjej/neHjej=2C and the like could be dial=
ectic or simply idiolectic variation. I like the idea that Klingon would ha=
ve variety along these lines - the Empire's too big to be culturally homoge=
neous=2C after all.<br><br>At any rate=2C we know from the paq'batlh that s=
ome instances of glottal stop in modern Klingon come from no' Hol /t/ - /tu=
bba'lit/ for {tobbe'lu'}=2C for instance. The recently-revealed verb {rIt} =
"summon" is also suspiciously similar to {rI'} "hail" and I've wondered if =
{rIt} could be etymologised as a reborrowing from an older form of Klingon.=
Similarly=2C perhaps {ghe'tor} is an archaic-sounding form in Klingon=2C w=
ith {ghe''or} the more modern=2C or perhaps simply more casual=2C pronuncia=
tion. Who knows?<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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