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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlharghDuj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Fri Jan 4 09:54:12 2013
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:53:50 +0000
In-Reply-To: <SNT002-W272A86A49C34DCB291824FA4200@phx.gbl>
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"Reconnaissance" is the word David's looking for. Cf. the beginning of the=
WikIPedia article:
Reconnaissance is the military term for exploring beyond the area occupied =
by friendly forces to gain vital information about enemy forces or features=
of the environment for later analysis and/or dissemination.
Often referred to as recce<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/recce> (British En=
glish) or recon<http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/recon> (North American Englis=
h, Australian English), the associated verb is reconnoitre in British Engli=
sh or reconnoiter in North American English.
Examples of reconnaissance include patrolling<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/=
Patrolling> by troops (rangers, scouts, or military intelligence specialist=
s), ships or submarines<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine>, manned/unm=
anned aircraft<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_reconnaissance>, satelli=
tes<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellites>, or by setting up covert<http:=
//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert> observation posts. Espionage<http://en.wiki=
pedia.org/wiki/Spying> normally is not reconnaissance, because reconnaissan=
ce is a military force's operating ahead of its main forces; spies are non-=
combatants operating behind enemy lines.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance>
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: David Holt [mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:39 AM
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlharghDuj
I don't believe there has ever been such a thing as a "scout ship" in real =
Terran history. However, it seems to be modeled after the real military ac=
tion of a scout. The job of a scout is to break away from the main group o=
f soldiers, so as to be more stealthy, and see if he can collect a little i=
nformation on the enemy and report back to the main group what they should =
expect. You can't call him a "spy" because in English that carries the imp=
lication that he is embedded amongst his enemy and probably disguised as on=
e of them. The scout is just gathering a quick bit of info and returning t=
o his troops so it's more about moving silently and quickly and less about =
disguise and full understanding of the enemy.
So, a scout ship is one which is mostly engines with perhaps a few stealth =
items (such as a cloaking device). It is typically lightly armored and lig=
htly armed, reducing its mass and increasing it's acceleration and perhaps =
even increasing its top speed (though in Star Trek, they are actually limit=
ed by warp limits, so almost everyone has the same top speed). Thus it can=
get ahead of the fleet and if there's trouble, escape from the trouble and=
report back to the fleet what to expect.
Google translate gives me the words "auskundschaften" or "erkunden" as a tr=
anslation for "to scout". I hope this has been helpful.
janSIy
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ew"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";col=
or:#1F497D">“Reconnaissance” is the word David’s looking =
for. Cf. the beginning of the WikIPedia article:<o:p></o:p></span></f=
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<p><b><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt;font-weight:bold">Reconnaissance</span></font></b> is the military ter=
m for exploring beyond the area occupied by friendly forces to gain vital i=
nformation about enemy forces or features
of the environment for later analysis and/or dissemination.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t">Often referred to as
<i><span style=3D"font-style:italic"><a href=3D"http://en.wiktionary.org/wi=
ki/recce" title=3D"wiktionary:recce">recce</a></span></i> (British English)=
or
<i><span style=3D"font-style:italic"><a href=3D"http://en.wiktionary.org/wi=
ki/recon" title=3D"wiktionary:recon">recon</a></span></i> (North American E=
nglish, Australian English), the associated verb is
<i><span style=3D"font-style:italic">reconnoitre</span></i> in British Engl=
ish or <i>
<span style=3D"font-style:italic">reconnoiter</span></i> in North American =
English.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t">Examples of reconnaissance include
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrolling" title=3D"Patrolling">pa=
trolling</a> by troops (rangers, scouts, or military intelligence specialis=
ts), ships or
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine" title=3D"Submarine">subm=
arines</a>, manned/unmanned
<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_reconnaissance" title=3D"Aer=
ial reconnaissance">
aircraft</a>, <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellites" title=3D"=
Satellites">
satellites</a>, or by setting up <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co=
vert" title=3D"Covert">
covert</a> observation posts. <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyin=
g" title=3D"Spying">
Espionage</a> normally is not reconnaissance, because reconnaissance is a m=
ilitary force's operating ahead of its main forces; spies are non-combatant=
s operating behind enemy lines.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D">Ca'Non=
Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&q=
uot;"> David
Holt [mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 04, 20=
13 8:39 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> tlhingan-hol@stodi.digit=
alkingdom.org<br>
<b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] =
tlharghDuj<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I don=
't believe there has ever been such a thing as a "scout ship" in =
real Terran history. However, it seems to be modeled after =
the real military
action of a scout. The job of a scout is to break away from the main=
group of soldiers, so as to be more stealthy, and see if he can collect a =
little information on the enemy and report back to the main group what they=
should expect. You can't call him a
"spy" because in English that carries the implication that he is=
embedded amongst his enemy and probably disguised as one of=
them. The scout is just gathering a quick bit of info and returning =
to his troops so it's more about moving silently and quickly and
less about disguise and full understanding of the enemy.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</font></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So, a=
scout ship is one which is mostly engines with perhaps a few stealth items=
(such as a cloaking device). It is typically lightly armored
and lightly armed, reducing its mass and increasing it's acceleration=
and perhaps even increasing its top speed (though in Star Trek, they =
are actually limited by warp limits, so almost everyone has the same top sp=
eed). Thus it can get ahead of the fleet
and if there's trouble, escape from the trouble and report back to the fle=
et what to expect.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Googl=
e translate gives me the words "auskundschaften" or "erkunde=
n" as a translation for "to scout". I hope this has be=
en helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p>=
</o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"><span style=3D"fon=
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