[95152] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ret
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Mon Dec 3 09:49:49 2012
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 14:49:22 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmPwUDi_g09kbcm9Z4A+3JBVAUqqCkv9gapdi0tzrm3x7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Gaerfindel wrote:
>> A correction: {netlh DIS law' ret tIQbe' yuQvam'e' tIQ,
>> Sornganpu' HuDnganpu' lung'a'pu' loDHompu' je toq.}
>>
>> I indicated that {yuQvam}, "this planet," was the topic by
>> adding the suffix {-'e'}.=A0 Ergo this planet (Earth) is/was
>> inhabited by the creatures I listed.=A0
De'vID:
>{toq} doesn't take an object. =A0The way you're written the sentence makes=
it >look like it's being applied adjectivally to=A0{Sornganpu' HuDnganpu' =
>lung'a'pu' loDHompu' je}, which doesn't seem to be part of the previous >s=
entence. =A0This is why I asked {toq 'Iv?} "who (i.e., among the tree->dwel=
lers, mountain-dwellers, talking giant-lizards, and boys) is/are >inhabited=
?" =A0That is, which of those nouns does (the apparent adjective) >{toq} ap=
ply to?
>
>Either the punctuation is incorrect (how does everything after the {tIQ} >=
relate to the sentence before it?), or the sentence is missing something >(=
maybe it should be {tIQbe'taHvIS}?), and/or you mean something like {Dab} >=
rather than {toq} (in which case the subject is the creatures and the objec=
t >is the planet). =A0
Klingon doesn't have a true passive. Although once can say "this planet wa=
s occupied" ({toq yuQvam}) in general, we can't say "this planet was inhabi=
ted *by X Y & Z*") specifically. You need to restate it in the active voic=
e "X Y & Z inhabited this planet". For that {Dab} "inhabit, occupy" is a b=
etter fit: {yuQvam luDab X Y Z je}. Cf. st.k (July 1999): =
Actually, the most common form of the question "Where do
you live?" is not a question at all, but a command such as:
{Daq DaDabbogh yIngu'} "Identify the place where you live"
... Perhaps a translation such as "Identify the place that
you live at" or "Identify the place that you inhabit" is
more revealing. ... It is possible, however, to respond with
a full sentence: {Daqvam vIDab} "I live at this place",
{pa' vIDab} "I live there", {naDev vIDab} "I live here",
{qachvetlh vIDab} "I live in/at that building", {Qo'noS
vIDab} "I live on Kronos". Of the three suggested ways to
ask "Where do you live?" the first is the most acceptable:
{nuq DaDab} "What do you inhabit? What do you dwell at?"
... The English translations of nuq {DaDab} are very awkward
(from an English point of view) and don't get across the
sense of the Klingon all that well. The less literal
"Where do you live?" is what is really being asked. In
Klingon, when one lives in a place or dwells in a place,
he or she is thought of as "occupying" or "inhabiting"
that place; not doing something at that location, but
doing something to it (occupying it).
Some useful vocabulary WRT to habitation:
=
toq be inhabited (v)
chIm be empty/deserted/uninhabited
Dab reside/dwell in/at, inhabit/occupy
ngan inhabitant (n)
roghvaH population (n)
--
Voragh
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