[95075] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Trains
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Mon Nov 26 03:26:34 2012
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:25:46 +0100
From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: KLI <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On 23 Nov 2012 03:19, "Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh" <qeslagh<qeslagh@hotmail.com>
@ <qeslagh@hotmail.com>hotmail.com <qeslagh@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> ghItlhpu' Felix, jatlh:
>
> > Aye, I'm aware of the rule; it's just not something I'd take for
granted works in a relative phrase.
>
> Ah, fair enough. I didn't think about that. I guess I gloss over it for
two reasons: we know (IIRC) that if there is an {-'e'}-marked noun in a
relative clause, it's the head; and (b) relative sentences aren't otherwise
all that distinct from ordinary Klingon sentences. There's no morphological
sign other than a little {-bogh} suffix that the sentence is anything
special, so if a rule applies to main clauses, I tend to just apply it to
subordinate clauses as well unless we've been told otherwise.
>
We didn't have (m)any examples of relative clauses with adverbials before
did we?
Now we have a clearer understanding of the following kinds of sentences.
{nom lengbogh DujlIj qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}
His slightly dull sword hit your fast-moving ship.
His slightly dull sword quickly hit your moving ship.
{lengbogh DujlIj'e' nom qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}
His slightly dull sword quickly hit your moving ship.
{pay' nom lengbogh DujlIj qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}
{nom lengbogh DujlIj'e' pay' qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}
His slightly dull sword suddenly hit your fast-moving ship.
{nom pay' lengbogh DujlIj qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}
{pay' lengbogh DujlIj'e' nom qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}
His slightly dull sword quickly hit your suddenly-moving ship.
etc.
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<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On 23 Nov 2012 03:19, "Rohan Fenwick - QeS 'utlh" <<a href=
=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com">qeslagh</a><a href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmai=
l.com">@</a><a href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com">hotmail.com</a>> wrot=
e:<br>
><br>
> ghItlhpu' Felix, jatlh:<br>
><br>
> > Aye, I'm aware of the rule; it's just not something I'=
;d take for granted works in a relative phrase.<br>
><br>
> Ah, fair enough. I didn't think about that. I guess I gloss over i=
t for two reasons: we know (IIRC) that if there is an {-'e'}-marked=
noun in a relative clause, it's the head; and (b) relative sentences a=
ren't otherwise all that distinct from ordinary Klingon sentences. Ther=
e's no morphological sign other than a little {-bogh} suffix that the s=
entence is anything special, so if a rule applies to main clauses, I tend t=
o just apply it to subordinate clauses as well unless we've been told o=
therwise.<br>
></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">We didn't have (m)any examples of relative clauses with =
adverbials before did we?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Now we have a clearer understanding of the following kinds o=
f sentences.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">{nom lengbogh DujlIj qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDaj}<br=
>
His slightly dull sword hit your fast-moving ship.<br>
His slightly dull sword quickly hit your moving ship.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">{lengbogh DujlIj'e' nom qIp loQ jejHa'bogh '=
etlhDaj}<br>
His slightly dull sword quickly hit your moving ship.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">{pay' nom lengbogh DujlIj qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'et=
lhDaj}<br>
{nom lengbogh DujlIj'e' pay' qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDa=
j}<br>
His slightly dull sword suddenly hit your fast-moving ship.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">{nom pay' lengbogh DujlIj qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'et=
lhDaj}<br>
{pay' lengbogh DujlIj'e' nom qIp loQ jejHa'bogh 'etlhDa=
j}<br>
His slightly dull sword quickly hit your suddenly-moving ship.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">etc.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">--<br>
De'vID</p>
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