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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: waQ

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gaerfindel)
Thu Oct 25 15:20:03 2012

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:19:41 -0400
From: Gaerfindel <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
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voragh jatlhpu':
> For comparison we have the similar verb {bot} "prevent, block" which has been used:
>
>    Dubotchugh yIpummoH
>    If it's in your way, knock it down. TKW
>
>    HuDqIjDaq qet ghIq Hechaj bot QIStaq
>    Running Over the Black Hills Until Kri'stak blocks their path. (PB)
>
>    qarDaSQa'Daq ruDelya' rop'a' Hergh qengbogh yo' Dabot.
>    Intercept Rudellian plague relief convoy to Cardassian Union. MKE
>
>    lojmItDaj veghta'DI' jubbe'wI' yInqa'meH chegh 'e' botnIS
>     qotar qeylIS HoHmeH qotar qeylIS SamnIS
>    Still, Kotar cannot let a mortal Pass his gates and return
>     alive, Kahless must be hunted down and killed. (PB)
>
>    yab matlh muvchuqghach Sorgh vay' 'e' vIbotjaj.
>    Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments.
>    (Sonnet 116)
>
> This raises the question:  What's the difference between {waQ} "obstruct" and {bot} "prevent, block, etc."?
>
jIjatlhpu':

...{waQ} is used when there is an inanimate obstruction {lojmIt waQ Sor 
HoHpu'}, while {bot} is used when there is an animate object *actively* 
involved {lojmIt bot mIl'oD}.

DaH jIjatlh:
The canon seems to support the idea that {bot} means an active 
impediment.  Especially the first three examples.

~quljIb

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    voragh jatlhpu':<br>
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For comparison we have the similar verb {bot} "prevent, block" which has been used:

  Dubotchugh yIpummoH 
  If it's in your way, knock it down. TKW

  HuDqIjDaq qet ghIq Hechaj bot QIStaq 
  Running Over the Black Hills Until Kri'stak blocks their path. (PB)

  qarDaSQa'Daq ruDelya' rop'a' Hergh qengbogh yo' Dabot. 
  Intercept Rudellian plague relief convoy to Cardassian Union. MKE

  lojmItDaj veghta'DI' jubbe'wI' yInqa'meH chegh 'e' botnIS
   qotar qeylIS HoHmeH qotar qeylIS SamnIS 
  Still, Kotar cannot let a mortal Pass his gates and return
   alive, Kahless must be hunted down and killed. (PB)

  yab matlh muvchuqghach Sorgh vay' 'e' vIbotjaj. 
  Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments.
  (Sonnet 116)

This raises the question:  What's the difference between {waQ} "obstruct" and {bot} "prevent, block, etc."?

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    jIjatlhpu':<br>
    <br>
    ...{waQ} is used when there is an inanimate obstruction {lojmIt waQ
    Sor HoHpu'}, while {bot} is used when there is an animate object <b
      class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>actively<span
        class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> involved {lojmIt bot mIl'oD}.
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    <br>
    DaH jIjatlh:<br>
    The canon seems to support the idea that {bot} means an active
    impediment.&nbsp; Especially the first three examples.<br>
    <br>
    ~quljIb<br>
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